araszek(1673) vs. freefal(1588) *
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standard 45+45, 2015-05-12
1.d4 {(0:00)} d5 {(0:00)} 2.c4 {(0:02)} c6 {(0:08)} 3.e3 {(0:06)} Bf5 {(0:31)} 4.Nc3 {(0:04)} Nf6 {(0:06)} 5.Nf3 {(0:32)} e6 {(0:31)} 6.a3 {(3:41)} dxc4 {(4:08)} 7.Bxc4 {(2:46)} Bd6 {(1:07)} 8.Bd3 {(5:38)} Bg6 {(2:33)} 9.Ne5 {(4:06)araszek(1673) whispers: I feel not so comfortable as I thought, when I saw then I have white pieces ;) }araszek(1673) whispers: very rare played with his LSB on this diag and usually I was an initiative araszek(1673) whispers: *I have }araszek(1673) whispers: played too fast :( }araszek(1673) whispers: ugly pos, I have a plan to limit his knight after exchange on h2 }araszek(1673) whispers: he can take it but it costs doubled pawns - a little compensation araszek(1673) whispers: and I should think about Q side - he has an advantage there }araszek(1673) whispers: Ke2 Rh1 to force exchange on g4 }DMjJMD(2022) whispers: 0-0-0 isnt a bad idea either DMjJMD(2022) whispers: same idea DMjJMD(2022) whispers: once that g4 is traded the g4 pawn will be very week..and then the g6 pawn will hurt after g4 falls..its gonna be tough DMjJMD(2022) whispers: weak* milpat(2093) whispers: K will pick up triple pawns DMjJMD(2022) whispers: I guess the question currently is Ke2 or 0-0-0 milpat(2093) whispers: ah, Ne4 will get rid of the Nf2 milpat(2093) whispers: not sure thats better than the triple g though BuyJupiter(1649) whispers: which is probably why he is thinking Ke2 instead of 0-0-0... keeps it a little closer to the g file. }DMjJMD(2022) whispers: i'd rather a knight over a bishop in this ending, but the rook seems it'll do the most damage milpat(2093) whispers: after b6/c5 the bishop will look silly }DMjJMD(2022) whispers: sigh DMjJMD(2022) whispers: now Rh1 comes with tempo DMjJMD(2022) whispers: Nx Nx Rh1 ke7 Rh4 milpat(2093) whispers: 0-0-0 for black? DMjJMD(2022) whispers: i prefer ke7 DMjJMD(2022) whispers: to protect g6 }DMjJMD(2022) whispers: via kf7 DMjJMD(2022) whispers: or maybe just hte immediate kf7 after Rh1 milpat(2093) whispers: :) }DMjJMD(2022) whispers: heres a sneaky idea DMjJMD(2022) whispers: Kf7 Rh4 g3 Rg4?! (Kg3 would be better) Rh8 Rx Rh1 DMjJMD(2022) whispers: with a really active rook }freefal(1588) whispers: where is watchbot? DMjJMD(2022) whispers: he got bored DMjJMD(2022) whispers: he'll prolly come back ;)\ stevelco(1771) whispers: We can't set a record for most comments if Watchbot isn't here DMjJMD(2022) whispers: :( BuyJupiter(1649) whispers: GuestYXKF is the Watchbot helper DMjJMD(2022) whispers: black can def draw this }DMjJMD(2022) whispers: woah lol stevelco(1771) whispers: White's rook wants to get in amongst 'em araszek(1673) whispers: I'm not sure if last move was correct - when he place his rook on h file and N on e4 that it may be not good for me DMjJMD(2022) whispers: my idea is playing c5-c4 with a6 and b5 to follow and then putting the N on d3..i was going to suggest c5!? after Rh4 but this changes things }araszek(1673) whispers: but I didn't want to use my rook to take only 1 pawn and waste few tempos DMjJMD(2022) whispers: smart oberservation! the g pawn will fall whenever you want it to fall DMjJMD(2022) whispers: but how to progress then..play on the queen side is not suggested stevelco(1771) whispers: Now Pat's idea is stronger ... King to capture tripled pawns DMjJMD(2022) whispers: Kf2 b5 Kg3 c5 Kx a5....all those tempi.. DMjJMD(2022) whispers: a5 would be super accurate..prolly c4 instead but still }DMjJMD(2022) whispers: wouldnt* DMjJMD(2022) whispers: that knight needs to be aggressively placed asap..and the d5 square isnt the place..black needs to utilize the light squares araszek(1673) whispers: without g4 pawn his N on e4 will be easy to chase }DMjJMD(2022) whispers: kg3 Nb6 milpat(2093) whispers: Kg3 Nb6 Bb4+ milpat(2093) whispers: ends on d6 DMjJMD(2022) whispers: Kg3 Nb6 Bb4+ Ke8 Rx Kx Ba5..and i think white can win that king pawn ending DMjJMD(2022) whispers: actually..Kf7 might be sneaky milpat(2093) whispers: Kg3 Nc5 perhaps, since Bb4 would not be check milpat(2093) whispers: so B is pinned and Ne4+ forks DMjJMD(2022) whispers: oooh nice as well DMjJMD(2022) whispers: i was was thinking Kf7 with Nxe5+ ideas }DMjJMD(2022) whispers: ...welp not sure f this was good for white DMjJMD(2022) whispers: but Nc5 ideas are gone lol milpat(2093) whispers: provoke b6 and how the N progress? DMjJMD(2022) whispers: c4 Nc5-d3 DMjJMD(2022) whispers: eventually* milpat(2093) whispers: c4 B back to b4 araszek(1673) whispers: should I exchange ? DMjJMD(2022) whispers: lol...exchange?? milpat(2093) whispers: B for pawn? DMjJMD(2022) whispers: i hope not lol milpat(2093) whispers: :) stevelco(1771) whispers: Maybe Rxd7 Rxd7 Bxc5 }DMjJMD(2022) whispers: phew lol stevelco(1771) whispers: that's a better idea araszek(1673) whispers: I'm not sure - I think with exchange I will fight only for draw }DMjJMD(2022) whispers: lol welp DMjJMD(2022) whispers: Rx Kx Ba5 with a questionable but likely winning king pawn ending milpat(2093) whispers: Kc7 would be far from kside weakie indeed DMjJMD(2022) whispers: and on Rx Kx Ba5 Kc7 just Kg3 DMjJMD(2022) whispers: after Kxg4 the e passer is fast after e4-f5 }DMjJMD(2022) whispers: im calcing lines..its actually kinda murky DMjJMD(2022) whispers: basically after trades on f5 the black king will have the d5 square and the white king wont have the f6 square }milpat(2093) whispers: Ke7 }DMjJMD(2022) whispers: actually i think their may be some merit with Kc7 milpat(2093) whispers: nah, too far from crucial action freefal(1588) whispers: for a guy with 30 mins on his clock, I am making terrible endgame moves DMjJMD(2022) whispers: sample line Kc7 Bx Kx Kg3 c4 Kxp Kc5 e4 b5 f5 gx ex ex Kx Kd5 e6 Kd6.. milpat(2093) whispers: Kc7 u dont Bx }milpat(2093) whispers: let him waste move DMjJMD(2022) whispers: ah yes freefal(1588) whispers: think that was a bad mistake right there freefal(1588) whispers: if he played a4 he could have locked down my pawn majority araszek(1673) whispers: I'm safe on K side but cannot left his K side pawns alone }araszek(1673) whispers: maybe e5 f5 break after }stevelco(1771) whispers: Now that was definitely a mistake DMjJMD(2022) whispers: well.... freefal(1588) whispers: hmm...think I was locked down anyway because of the doubled pawns araszek(1673) whispers: should be hard ending and he has an time advantage DMjJMD(2022) whispers: this is looking closer to a draw araszek(1673) whispers: *a freefal(1588) whispers: not sure why he isn't just mopping up my pawns on the king side DMjJMD(2022) whispers: i only say that because now this past pawn sitch looks sketch DMjJMD(2022) whispers: white literally cant go get the g pawn now DMjJMD(2022) whispers: e4-f5 just loses a pawn DMjJMD(2022) whispers: if im black i go on the offensive...cuz i doubt black can lose here with accurate play freefal(1588) whispers: this should literally be calculatable to an outcome I think araszek(1673) whispers: I was wrong - I'm not so safe at Q side as I thought - he has g5 and his king is in the game araszek(1673) whispers: maybe I should play e4 which allow to play f5 after that araszek(1673) whispers: or .. g5 x. g3 and after that e4 araszek(1673) whispers: no, this is wrong line ;) DMjJMD(2022) whispers: g5 is actually an interesting idea DMjJMD(2022) whispers: but im not sure how strong it is araszek(1673) whispers: I can close Q side when I take on g5 and place my pawns on g3 and e4, so looks not so wrong SamuraiGoroh(1778) whispers: g5 here is stockfish's prefered move SamuraiGoroh(1778) whispers: Worth for about -1.10 though }milpat(2093) whispers: c4 premature }milpat(2093) whispers: oh my milpat(2093) whispers: c4 was perfect then SamuraiGoroh(1778) whispers: g3 is the move now according to stockfish milpat(2093) whispers: stop ur comp move pls araszek(1673) whispers: this line gives not so much chances to win, but taking also was risky araszek(1673) whispers: now he shouldn't has an easy way to invade with his king }
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samuraigoroh (2015-05-12): @milpat You likely won't notice this comment, but anyway: With that grammar and the way you say it, it's a bit rude. You may not like bot lines, but they can lead into some interesting lines and there's nothing wrong to comment about them. Your opinion is to avoid them and mine is to mention them. There is no rule that states about how whispers should be. I can understand that just stating the line itself it's not very insightful, but I was going to point why g3 was wanted but it never happened so that line is lost now...