akhairat(2072) vs. nachsueb(1966) *
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1.e4 (0:00) c5 (0:00)
PankracyRozumek(1808) whispers: go AKhairat! 2.Nf3 (1:06) e6 (0:05) 3.d4 (0:07) cxd4 (0:03) 4.c3 (1:17)
Triarius(2133) whispers: nach gotta get that full point
Triarius(2133) whispers: team might already be in final with it 4...dxc3 (1:07) 5.Nxc3 (0:06) a6 (0:07) 6.Bc4 (0:32) Nc6 (1:08) 7.O-O (0:20) Nge7 (2:24)
Triarius(2133) whispers: Bg5 f6 now i guess 8.Bg5 (1:31)
Triarius(2133) whispers: then Be3, good old b5! Bb3/Bd3 and Ng6/b4
Triarius(2133) whispers: or b5 Bb3 Bb7, probably even better 8...f6 (3:41) 9.Bh4 (3:10)
rstand(2343) whispers: Ng6 like black
Triarius(2133) whispers: indeed
Triarius(2133) whispers: black gains a tempo, if you compare this line to the one i suggested before 9...b5 (4:50)
NightFury(2129) whispers: is it just me or does Nach not like castling?
donpachi(2020) whispers: everyone seems to be playing this smith-morra stuff these days 10.Bb3 (6:50) Ng6 (0:22) 11.Bg3 (0:12)
NightFury(2129) whispers: it nets wins against unprepared opponents
rstand(2343) whispers: Agree to nightfury
Triarius(2133) whispers: or presents to people who know theory :P
NightFury(2129) whispers: :) true enough
rstand(2343) whispers: seem
Triarius(2133) whispers: at 2300+ level the typical answer to that question is "yeah, it's nice. Too bad it doesn't work"
rstand(2343) whispers: lol
donpachi(2020) whispers: it sure can be a dangerous line, but i can't help but feel that by playing d4 and c3 white in a way says: 'you know i was too lazy to learn all those najdorf/sveshnikov lines, lets see what happens here' ;-)
NightFury(2129) whispers: well if you can get a decent game with learning theory, whats the motive to study theory?
NightFury(2129) whispers: without learning
Triarius(2133) whispers: plenty of ways to get out of theory in sicilian defense
Triarius(2133) whispers: or famous pawn structures like the closed sicilian / english
mcstorytaller(1740) whispers: im good in playing out of theory ;)
donpachi(2020) whispers: sure i play 1.e4 c5 2.Na3 on a regular basis ;-)
mcstorytaller(1740) whispers: if i playing according theory it is by accident :)
Triarius(2133) whispers: i know at least one GM who often plays it (with success)
mcstorytaller(1740) whispers: well, maybe not always
Triarius(2133) whispers: same goes for e4 c5 b3 11...Nce5 (9:39)
NightFury(2129) whispers: that seems better then Na3 though ;)
donpachi(2020) whispers: zvjagintsev variation was sort of popular few years back, apparently there is even some theory to learn
Triarius(2133) whispers: i shouldn't name "northern sea defence"
rstand(2343) whispers: Bb7 I liked more to have more pieces in play
Triarius(2133) whispers: e4 g6 d4 nf6 e5 nh5
Triarius(2133) whispers: played as black by carlsen 12.Nxe5 (2:56) fxe5 (0:03)
Triarius(2133) whispers: against e4 c5 na3, i know of some strong fide masters getting lost at 8th move already (as black)
NightFury(2129) whispers: mc once you learn good opening principles, you will play theory moves just by feeling 13.Qh5 (1:12)
donpachi(2020) whispers: the aim is not to play 'theoretical moves' but to play 'good moves', a move can be theoretical and still bad ;-)
rstand(2343) whispers: the theory does not work if there is no concept;)
Triarius(2133) whispers: so many times the theoretical line was just a temporary line which just needed some time before someone found its refutation :P
NightFury(2129) whispers: but 1 can play bad move theory and still win
NightFury(2129) whispers: thats the allure and curse of opening knowledge
Triarius(2133) whispers: like some risky lines in najdorf which are quite unplayable nowdays but were mainline ages before 13...Qf6 (6:02) 14.f4 (0:19)
donpachi(2020) whispers: yeah and this all changes much more rapidly these days, a trendy variation one week can be refuted in the next just because someone let houdini analyse the position for half an hour longer...;-)
NightFury(2129) whispers: in a TL game i think 95% of openings are playable
Triarius(2133) whispers: that's what happened to many "good lines" on kasparov's scheveningen bible 14...Bc5+ (1:24) 15.Kh1 (0:08) O-O (5:36) NachsueB lost connection; game adjourned *
PankracyRozumek(1808) whispers: go AKhairat! 2.Nf3 (1:06) e6 (0:05) 3.d4 (0:07) cxd4 (0:03) 4.c3 (1:17)
Triarius(2133) whispers: nach gotta get that full point
Triarius(2133) whispers: team might already be in final with it 4...dxc3 (1:07) 5.Nxc3 (0:06) a6 (0:07) 6.Bc4 (0:32) Nc6 (1:08) 7.O-O (0:20) Nge7 (2:24)
Triarius(2133) whispers: Bg5 f6 now i guess 8.Bg5 (1:31)
Triarius(2133) whispers: then Be3, good old b5! Bb3/Bd3 and Ng6/b4
Triarius(2133) whispers: or b5 Bb3 Bb7, probably even better 8...f6 (3:41) 9.Bh4 (3:10)
rstand(2343) whispers: Ng6 like black
Triarius(2133) whispers: indeed
Triarius(2133) whispers: black gains a tempo, if you compare this line to the one i suggested before 9...b5 (4:50)
NightFury(2129) whispers: is it just me or does Nach not like castling?
donpachi(2020) whispers: everyone seems to be playing this smith-morra stuff these days 10.Bb3 (6:50) Ng6 (0:22) 11.Bg3 (0:12)
NightFury(2129) whispers: it nets wins against unprepared opponents
rstand(2343) whispers: Agree to nightfury
Triarius(2133) whispers: or presents to people who know theory :P
NightFury(2129) whispers: :) true enough
rstand(2343) whispers: seem
Triarius(2133) whispers: at 2300+ level the typical answer to that question is "yeah, it's nice. Too bad it doesn't work"
rstand(2343) whispers: lol
donpachi(2020) whispers: it sure can be a dangerous line, but i can't help but feel that by playing d4 and c3 white in a way says: 'you know i was too lazy to learn all those najdorf/sveshnikov lines, lets see what happens here' ;-)
NightFury(2129) whispers: well if you can get a decent game with learning theory, whats the motive to study theory?
NightFury(2129) whispers: without learning
Triarius(2133) whispers: plenty of ways to get out of theory in sicilian defense
Triarius(2133) whispers: or famous pawn structures like the closed sicilian / english
mcstorytaller(1740) whispers: im good in playing out of theory ;)
donpachi(2020) whispers: sure i play 1.e4 c5 2.Na3 on a regular basis ;-)
mcstorytaller(1740) whispers: if i playing according theory it is by accident :)
Triarius(2133) whispers: i know at least one GM who often plays it (with success)
mcstorytaller(1740) whispers: well, maybe not always
Triarius(2133) whispers: same goes for e4 c5 b3 11...Nce5 (9:39)
NightFury(2129) whispers: that seems better then Na3 though ;)
donpachi(2020) whispers: zvjagintsev variation was sort of popular few years back, apparently there is even some theory to learn
Triarius(2133) whispers: i shouldn't name "northern sea defence"
rstand(2343) whispers: Bb7 I liked more to have more pieces in play
Triarius(2133) whispers: e4 g6 d4 nf6 e5 nh5
Triarius(2133) whispers: played as black by carlsen 12.Nxe5 (2:56) fxe5 (0:03)
Triarius(2133) whispers: against e4 c5 na3, i know of some strong fide masters getting lost at 8th move already (as black)
NightFury(2129) whispers: mc once you learn good opening principles, you will play theory moves just by feeling 13.Qh5 (1:12)
donpachi(2020) whispers: the aim is not to play 'theoretical moves' but to play 'good moves', a move can be theoretical and still bad ;-)
rstand(2343) whispers: the theory does not work if there is no concept;)
Triarius(2133) whispers: so many times the theoretical line was just a temporary line which just needed some time before someone found its refutation :P
NightFury(2129) whispers: but 1 can play bad move theory and still win
NightFury(2129) whispers: thats the allure and curse of opening knowledge
Triarius(2133) whispers: like some risky lines in najdorf which are quite unplayable nowdays but were mainline ages before 13...Qf6 (6:02) 14.f4 (0:19)
donpachi(2020) whispers: yeah and this all changes much more rapidly these days, a trendy variation one week can be refuted in the next just because someone let houdini analyse the position for half an hour longer...;-)
NightFury(2129) whispers: in a TL game i think 95% of openings are playable
Triarius(2133) whispers: that's what happened to many "good lines" on kasparov's scheveningen bible 14...Bc5+ (1:24) 15.Kh1 (0:08) O-O (5:36) NachsueB lost connection; game adjourned *
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