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araszek(1673) vs. freefal(1588)

araszek(1673) vs. freefal(1588) *

1.d4 (0:00) d5 (0:00) 2.c4 (0:02) c6 (0:08) 3.e3 (0:06) Bf5 (0:31) 4.Nc3 (0:04) Nf6 (0:06) 5.Nf3 (0:32) e6 (0:31) 6.a3 (3:41) dxc4 (4:08) 7.Bxc4 (2:46) Bd6 (1:07) 8.Bd3 (5:38) Bg6 (2:33) 9.Ne5 (4:06)
araszek(1673) whispers: I feel not so comfortable as I thought, when I saw then I have white pieces ;) 9...Bxe5 (1:42)
araszek(1673) whispers: very rare played with his LSB on this diag and usually I was an initiative
araszek(1673) whispers: *I have 10.Bxg6 (0:58)
araszek(1673) whispers: played too fast :( 10...hxg6 (3:42) 11.dxe5 (0:51) Qxd1+ (0:00) 12.Nxd1 (2:52) Ng4 (0:28) 13.f4 (4:07) Rxh2 (0:43)
araszek(1673) whispers: ugly pos, I have a plan to limit his knight after exchange on h2 14.Rxh2 (1:36) Nxh2 (0:00) 15.Nf2 (0:02)
araszek(1673) whispers: he can take it but it costs doubled pawns - a little compensation
araszek(1673) whispers: and I should think about Q side - he has an advantage there 15...f5 (1:39) 16.Bd2 (3:49)
araszek(1673) whispers: Ke2 Rh1 to force exchange on g4 16...Nd7 (3:29)
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: 0-0-0 isnt a bad idea either
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: same idea
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: once that g4 is traded the g4 pawn will be very week..and then the g6 pawn will hurt after g4 falls..its gonna be tough
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: weak*
milpat(2093) whispers: K will pick up triple pawns
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: I guess the question currently is Ke2 or 0-0-0
milpat(2093) whispers: ah, Ne4 will get rid of the Nf2
milpat(2093) whispers: not sure thats better than the triple g though
BuyJupiter(1649) whispers: which is probably why he is thinking Ke2 instead of 0-0-0... keeps it a little closer to the g file. 17.Ke2 (2:58)
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: i'd rather a knight over a bishop in this ending, but the rook seems it'll do the most damage
milpat(2093) whispers: after b6/c5 the bishop will look silly 17...Ng4 (1:37)
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: sigh
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: now Rh1 comes with tempo
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: Nx Nx Rh1 ke7 Rh4
milpat(2093) whispers: 0-0-0 for black?
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: i prefer ke7
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: to protect g6 18.Nxg4 (1:05) fxg4 (0:00)
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: via kf7
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: or maybe just hte immediate kf7 after Rh1
milpat(2093) whispers: :) 19.Rh1 (1:21)
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: heres a sneaky idea
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: Kf7 Rh4 g3 Rg4?! (Kg3 would be better) Rh8 Rx Rh1
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: with a really active rook 19...Kf7 (0:43)
freefal(1588) whispers: where is watchbot?
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: he got bored
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: he'll prolly come back ;)
stevelco(1771) whispers: We can't set a record for most comments if Watchbot isn't here
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: :(
BuyJupiter(1649) whispers: GuestYXKF is the Watchbot helper
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: black can def draw this 20.Rd1 (2:21)
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: woah lol
stevelco(1771) whispers: White's rook wants to get in amongst 'em
araszek(1673) whispers: I'm not sure if last move was correct - when he place his rook on h file and N on e4 that it may be not good for me
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: my idea is playing c5-c4 with a6 and b5 to follow and then putting the N on d3..i was going to suggest c5!? after Rh4 but this changes things 20...Ke7 (2:09)
araszek(1673) whispers: but I didn't want to use my rook to take only 1 pawn and waste few tempos
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: smart oberservation! the g pawn will fall whenever you want it to fall
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: but how to progress then..play on the queen side is not suggested
stevelco(1771) whispers: Now Pat's idea is stronger ... King to capture tripled pawns
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: Kf2 b5 Kg3 c5 Kx a5....all those tempi..
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: a5 would be super accurate..prolly c4 instead but still 21.Kf2 (3:45)
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: wouldnt*
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: that knight needs to be aggressively placed asap..and the d5 square isnt the place..black needs to utilize the light squares
araszek(1673) whispers: without g4 pawn his N on e4 will be easy to chase 21...Rd8 (6:38)
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: kg3 Nb6
milpat(2093) whispers: Kg3 Nb6 Bb4+
milpat(2093) whispers: ends on d6
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: Kg3 Nb6 Bb4+ Ke8 Rx Kx Ba5..and i think white can win that king pawn ending
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: actually..Kf7 might be sneaky
milpat(2093) whispers: Kg3 Nc5 perhaps, since Bb4 would not be check
milpat(2093) whispers: so B is pinned and Ne4+ forks
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: oooh nice as well
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: i was was thinking Kf7 with Nxe5+ ideas 22.Bb4+ (7:06) c5 (0:14)
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: ...welp not sure f this was good for white
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: but Nc5 ideas are gone lol
milpat(2093) whispers: provoke b6 and how the N progress?
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: c4 Nc5-d3
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: eventually*
milpat(2093) whispers: c4 B back to b4
araszek(1673) whispers: should I exchange ?
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: lol...exchange??
milpat(2093) whispers: B for pawn?
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: i hope not lol
milpat(2093) whispers: :)
stevelco(1771) whispers: Maybe Rxd7 Rxd7 Bxc5 23.Bc3 (3:24)
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: phew lol
stevelco(1771) whispers: that's a better idea
araszek(1673) whispers: I'm not sure - I think with exchange I will fight only for draw 23...Nb6 (0:40)
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: lol welp
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: Rx Kx Ba5 with a questionable but likely winning king pawn ending
milpat(2093) whispers: Kc7 would be far from kside weakie indeed
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: and on Rx Kx Ba5 Kc7 just Kg3
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: after Kxg4 the e passer is fast after e4-f5 24.Rxd8 (3:14) Kxd8 (0:00)
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: im calcing lines..its actually kinda murky
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: basically after trades on f5 the black king will have the d5 square and the white king wont have the f6 square 25.Ba5 (0:44)
milpat(2093) whispers: Ke7 25...Ke7 (0:33)
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: actually i think their may be some merit with Kc7
milpat(2093) whispers: nah, too far from crucial action
freefal(1588) whispers: for a guy with 30 mins on his clock, I am making terrible endgame moves
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: sample line Kc7 Bx Kx Kg3 c4 Kxp Kc5 e4 b5 f5 gx ex ex Kx Kd5 e6 Kd6..
milpat(2093) whispers: Kc7 u dont Bx 26.Bxb6 (1:14) axb6 (0:00) 27.Ke2 (0:02)
milpat(2093) whispers: let him waste move
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: ah yes
freefal(1588) whispers: think that was a bad mistake right there
freefal(1588) whispers: if he played a4 he could have locked down my pawn majority
araszek(1673) whispers: I'm safe on K side but cannot left his K side pawns alone 27...b5 (1:07)
araszek(1673) whispers: maybe e5 f5 break after 28.b3 (0:45)
stevelco(1771) whispers: Now that was definitely a mistake
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: well....
freefal(1588) whispers: hmm...think I was locked down anyway because of the doubled pawns
araszek(1673) whispers: should be hard ending and he has an time advantage
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: this is looking closer to a draw
araszek(1673) whispers: *a
freefal(1588) whispers: not sure why he isn't just mopping up my pawns on the king side
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: i only say that because now this past pawn sitch looks sketch
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: white literally cant go get the g pawn now
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: e4-f5 just loses a pawn
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: if im black i go on the offensive...cuz i doubt black can lose here with accurate play
freefal(1588) whispers: this should literally be calculatable to an outcome I think
araszek(1673) whispers: I was wrong - I'm not so safe at Q side as I thought - he has g5 and his king is in the game
araszek(1673) whispers: maybe I should play e4 which allow to play f5 after that
araszek(1673) whispers: or .. g5 x. g3 and after that e4
araszek(1673) whispers: no, this is wrong line ;)
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: g5 is actually an interesting idea
DMjJMD(2022) whispers: but im not sure how strong it is
araszek(1673) whispers: I can close Q side when I take on g5 and place my pawns on g3 and e4, so looks not so wrong
SamuraiGoroh(1778) whispers: g5 here is stockfish's prefered move
SamuraiGoroh(1778) whispers: Worth for about -1.10 though 28...c4 (17:01)
milpat(2093) whispers: c4 premature 29.b4 (2:01)
milpat(2093) whispers: oh my
milpat(2093) whispers: c4 was perfect then
SamuraiGoroh(1778) whispers: g3 is the move now according to stockfish
milpat(2093) whispers: stop ur comp move pls
araszek(1673) whispers: this line gives not so much chances to win, but taking also was risky
araszek(1673) whispers: now he shouldn't has an easy way to invade with his king freefal lost connection; game adjourned *

1.d4 {(0:00)} d5 {(0:00)} 2.c4 {(0:02)} c6 {(0:08)} 3.e3 {(0:06)} Bf5 {(0:31)} 4.Nc3 {(0:04)} Nf6 {(0:06)} 5.Nf3 {(0:32)} e6 {(0:31)} 6.a3 {(3:41)} dxc4 {(4:08)} 7.Bxc4 {(2:46)} Bd6 {(1:07)} 8.Bd3 {(5:38)} Bg6 {(2:33)} 9.Ne5 {(4:06)

araszek(1673) whispers: I feel not so comfortable as I thought, when I saw then I have white pieces ;)}
9...Bxe5 {(1:42)

araszek(1673) whispers: very rare played with his LSB on this diag and usually I was an initiative

araszek(1673) whispers: *I have}
10.Bxg6 {(0:58)

araszek(1673) whispers: played too fast :(}
10...hxg6 {(3:42)} 11.dxe5 {(0:51)} Qxd1+ {(0:00)} 12.Nxd1 {(2:52)} Ng4 {(0:28)} 13.f4 {(4:07)} Rxh2 {(0:43)

araszek(1673) whispers: ugly pos, I have a plan to limit his knight after exchange on h2}
14.Rxh2 {(1:36)} Nxh2 {(0:00)} 15.Nf2 {(0:02)

araszek(1673) whispers: he can take it but it costs doubled pawns - a little compensation

araszek(1673) whispers: and I should think about Q side - he has an advantage there}
15...f5 {(1:39)} 16.Bd2 {(3:49)

araszek(1673) whispers: Ke2 Rh1 to force exchange on g4}
16...Nd7 {(3:29)

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: 0-0-0 isnt a bad idea either

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: same idea

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: once that g4 is traded the g4 pawn will be very week..and then the g6 pawn will hurt after g4 falls..its gonna be tough

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: weak*

milpat(2093) whispers: K will pick up triple pawns

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: I guess the question currently is Ke2 or 0-0-0

milpat(2093) whispers: ah, Ne4 will get rid of the Nf2

milpat(2093) whispers: not sure thats better than the triple g though

BuyJupiter(1649) whispers: which is probably why he is thinking Ke2 instead of 0-0-0... keeps it a little closer to the g file.}
17.Ke2 {(2:58)

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: i'd rather a knight over a bishop in this ending, but the rook seems it'll do the most damage

milpat(2093) whispers: after b6/c5 the bishop will look silly}
17...Ng4 {(1:37)

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: sigh

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: now Rh1 comes with tempo

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: Nx Nx Rh1 ke7 Rh4

milpat(2093) whispers: 0-0-0 for black?

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: i prefer ke7

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: to protect g6}
18.Nxg4 {(1:05)} fxg4 {(0:00)

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: via kf7

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: or maybe just hte immediate kf7 after Rh1

milpat(2093) whispers: :)}
19.Rh1 {(1:21)

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: heres a sneaky idea

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: Kf7 Rh4 g3 Rg4?! (Kg3 would be better) Rh8 Rx Rh1

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: with a really active rook}
19...Kf7 {(0:43)

freefal(1588) whispers: where is watchbot?

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: he got bored

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: he'll prolly come back ;)\

stevelco(1771) whispers: We can't set a record for most comments if Watchbot isn't here

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: :(

BuyJupiter(1649) whispers: GuestYXKF is the Watchbot helper

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: black can def draw this}
20.Rd1 {(2:21)

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: woah lol

stevelco(1771) whispers: White's rook wants to get in amongst 'em

araszek(1673) whispers: I'm not sure if last move was correct - when he place his rook on h file and N on e4 that it may be not good for me

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: my idea is playing c5-c4 with a6 and b5 to follow and then putting the N on d3..i was going to suggest c5!? after Rh4 but this changes things}
20...Ke7 {(2:09)

araszek(1673) whispers: but I didn't want to use my rook to take only 1 pawn and waste few tempos

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: smart oberservation! the g pawn will fall whenever you want it to fall

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: but how to progress then..play on the queen side is not suggested

stevelco(1771) whispers: Now Pat's idea is stronger ... King to capture tripled pawns

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: Kf2 b5 Kg3 c5 Kx a5....all those tempi..

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: a5 would be super accurate..prolly c4 instead but still}
21.Kf2 {(3:45)

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: wouldnt*

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: that knight needs to be aggressively placed asap..and the d5 square isnt the place..black needs to utilize the light squares

araszek(1673) whispers: without g4 pawn his N on e4 will be easy to chase}
21...Rd8 {(6:38)

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: kg3 Nb6

milpat(2093) whispers: Kg3 Nb6 Bb4+

milpat(2093) whispers: ends on d6

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: Kg3 Nb6 Bb4+ Ke8 Rx Kx Ba5..and i think white can win that king pawn ending

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: actually..Kf7 might be sneaky

milpat(2093) whispers: Kg3 Nc5 perhaps, since Bb4 would not be check

milpat(2093) whispers: so B is pinned and Ne4+ forks

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: oooh nice as well

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: i was was thinking Kf7 with Nxe5+ ideas}
22.Bb4+ {(7:06)} c5 {(0:14)

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: ...welp not sure f this was good for white

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: but Nc5 ideas are gone lol

milpat(2093) whispers: provoke b6 and how the N progress?

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: c4 Nc5-d3

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: eventually*

milpat(2093) whispers: c4 B back to b4

araszek(1673) whispers: should I exchange ?

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: lol...exchange??

milpat(2093) whispers: B for pawn?

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: i hope not lol

milpat(2093) whispers: :)

stevelco(1771) whispers: Maybe Rxd7 Rxd7 Bxc5}
23.Bc3 {(3:24)

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: phew lol

stevelco(1771) whispers: that's a better idea

araszek(1673) whispers: I'm not sure - I think with exchange I will fight only for draw}
23...Nb6 {(0:40)

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: lol welp

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: Rx Kx Ba5 with a questionable but likely winning king pawn ending

milpat(2093) whispers: Kc7 would be far from kside weakie indeed

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: and on Rx Kx Ba5 Kc7 just Kg3

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: after Kxg4 the e passer is fast after e4-f5}
24.Rxd8 {(3:14)} Kxd8 {(0:00)

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: im calcing lines..its actually kinda murky

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: basically after trades on f5 the black king will have the d5 square and the white king wont have the f6 square}
25.Ba5 {(0:44)

milpat(2093) whispers: Ke7}
25...Ke7 {(0:33)

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: actually i think their may be some merit with Kc7

milpat(2093) whispers: nah, too far from crucial action

freefal(1588) whispers: for a guy with 30 mins on his clock, I am making terrible endgame moves

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: sample line Kc7 Bx Kx Kg3 c4 Kxp Kc5 e4 b5 f5 gx ex ex Kx Kd5 e6 Kd6..

milpat(2093) whispers: Kc7 u dont Bx}
26.Bxb6 {(1:14)} axb6 {(0:00)} 27.Ke2 {(0:02)

milpat(2093) whispers: let him waste move

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: ah yes

freefal(1588) whispers: think that was a bad mistake right there

freefal(1588) whispers: if he played a4 he could have locked down my pawn majority

araszek(1673) whispers: I'm safe on K side but cannot left his K side pawns alone}
27...b5 {(1:07)

araszek(1673) whispers: maybe e5 f5 break after}
28.b3 {(0:45)

stevelco(1771) whispers: Now that was definitely a mistake

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: well....

freefal(1588) whispers: hmm...think I was locked down anyway because of the doubled pawns

araszek(1673) whispers: should be hard ending and he has an time advantage

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: this is looking closer to a draw

araszek(1673) whispers: *a

freefal(1588) whispers: not sure why he isn't just mopping up my pawns on the king side

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: i only say that because now this past pawn sitch looks sketch

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: white literally cant go get the g pawn now

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: e4-f5 just loses a pawn

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: if im black i go on the offensive...cuz i doubt black can lose here with accurate play

freefal(1588) whispers: this should literally be calculatable to an outcome I think

araszek(1673) whispers: I was wrong - I'm not so safe at Q side as I thought - he has g5 and his king is in the game

araszek(1673) whispers: maybe I should play e4 which allow to play f5 after that

araszek(1673) whispers: or .. g5 x. g3 and after that e4

araszek(1673) whispers: no, this is wrong line ;)

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: g5 is actually an interesting idea

DMjJMD(2022) whispers: but im not sure how strong it is

araszek(1673) whispers: I can close Q side when I take on g5 and place my pawns on g3 and e4, so looks not so wrong

SamuraiGoroh(1778) whispers: g5 here is stockfish's prefered move

SamuraiGoroh(1778) whispers: Worth for about -1.10 though}
28...c4 {(17:01)

milpat(2093) whispers: c4 premature}
29.b4 {(2:01)

milpat(2093) whispers: oh my

milpat(2093) whispers: c4 was perfect then

SamuraiGoroh(1778) whispers: g3 is the move now according to stockfish

milpat(2093) whispers: stop ur comp move pls

araszek(1673) whispers: this line gives not so much chances to win, but taking also was risky

araszek(1673) whispers: now he shouldn't has an easy way to invade with his king}
{freefal lost connection; game adjourned} *

Comments

samuraigoroh (2015-05-12): @milpat You likely won't notice this comment, but anyway: With that grammar and the way you say it, it's a bit rude. You may not like bot lines, but they can lead into some interesting lines and there's nothing wrong to comment about them. Your opinion is to avoid them and mine is to mention them. There is no rule that states about how whispers should be. I can understand that just stating the line itself it's not very insightful, but I was going to point why g3 was wanted but it never happened so that line is lost now...

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