rocato(1986) vs. lingzhi(1898) *
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JoshuaR(1762) whispers: Good luck, lingzhi! 3...Bc5 (0:07) 4.c3 (0:36) Nf6 (0:25)
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: thats my favourite line as black if now happens d4
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: i think i still know theory until the perpetual check with Bxh7 :p
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: and all other stuff, - even after 4 years of caro only 5.d3 (0:47)
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: dang guicci piano
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: boooooring 5...h6 (0:27) 6.O-O (0:04) O-O (0:06) 7.d4 (0:04) exd4 (0:19) 8.cxd4 (0:01) Bb6 (0:12) 9.d5 (0:02) Na5 (0:10) 10.Bd3 (0:07)
evilcoyote(2137) whispers: Knight is awkard on a5. 10...c5 (3:10)
Suiseiseki(2006) whispers: interesting moveorder
JoshuaR(1762) whispers: haha, i find the caro boring and play this stuff instead. not that i actually know any of the lines, ironically. it's just easier to play intuitively when you're a bad chess player in general. ;)
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: he
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: i agree with you
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: i played 1...e5 with no knowledge - and been learning by doing
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: interesting here
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: first d3 then d4
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: i watched away as saw d3, back here guys
JoshuaR(1762) whispers: i thought that was normal, if not so early
JoshuaR(1762) whispers: pianissimo
cstarx(2111) whispers: Feel like Nc3 should be a good move here.
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: nah its too early, usually Nbd2, 0-0, Re1, Nf1-g3, Bb3-c2 followed by d4
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: thats why it called piano or so
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: white trying slow open centre with kingsside attack and if gets 2 Ns to f5, is advantage
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: Maybe... the d4 move is a refutation to h6, but I actually doubt it
JoshuaR(1762) whispers: though as black i don't play h6 very often. buti used to lecture us about unnecessary pawn moves... and although in blitz i tend to take the d4, maybe because there was no Nc3 yet, Bb6 was better
cstarx(2111) whispers: Nc3, h3, Bf4, Re1 should be a general plan here.
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: h6 is kinda weird, as it weakens f5 even more and gives a target to sac the bishoue 11.Nc3 (11:30)
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: if N@a5 wants make sense, c4 is the move
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: actually black should watchout that white doesnt play d6
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: could have played instead of Nc3 11...d6 (2:41)
JoshuaR(1762) whispers: after d6 this is just miserably annoying to play as black with those trapped qside pieces
JoshuaR(1762) whispers: but d6 was the move
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: its still miserable to play with those q-side pieces :p
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: i see a sac of e4 pawn and everything watches black king
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: ok and it doesnt work :) e5 dxe Nxe5 Re8 f4?! fails to c4+ and gets the bishop 12.h3 (2:10)
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: but Bf4 after Re8, had to be considered still... i dunno
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: its hard for me to create attacking ideas
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: and reminder to myself: first think than comment
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: that makes commenting so much less fun though 12...Bc7 (1:26)
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: bah a6/b5 will take forever
linuxblue(1763) whispers: g4 is worth a look 13.b3 (2:43) a6 (0:36)
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: hmm, looking a bit Benonish now
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: snake benonish, with the B on c7
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: but the Na5 is seriously out of play, otherwise I think black might have some decent queenside play 14.Bb2 (2:15)
cstarx(2111) whispers: I start to like the idea of a4 then Bb2, Bc2 and Qd3.
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: hmm, a4 really looked necessary
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: now b5 and c4 suggests itself 14...b5 (1:08)
cstarx(2111) whispers: may be a4 is not nescessary ? 15.Ne2 (0:25)
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: well, I thought that a4 was stopping all of black's play
cstarx(2111) whispers: seems right.
JoshuaR(1762) whispers: well after this expansion things don't look as bad to my eye
cstarx(2111) whispers: now the bad pieces came out. 15...Re8 (1:00) 16.Ng3 (0:03)
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: white must be better anyway, since he will have strong kingside play
cstarx(2111) whispers: c4 now
JoshuaR(1762) whispers: there are now places for the knight to go, at least. but yeah white has the easier play
cstarx(2111) whispers: black should really play c4 now, otherwise white will play Bc2 and respond c4 with b4.
JoshuaR(1762) whispers: agreed. maybe even b4 threatenining c3 after
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: I suspect these players are not familiar with the Snake Benoni, so they are having to think for themselves rather than following preconceived schemes of play
cstarx(2111) whispers: second thought, c4 now is probably no good for black.
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: what else can he do?
cstarx(2111) whispers: black can not do much really.
cstarx(2111) whispers: haha
cstarx(2111) whispers: :))
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: might as well play c4 then ;) 16...Ra7 (4:14)
cstarx(2111) whispers: it is hard to suggest a move when the position is really bad.
cstarx(2111) whispers: I like the plan Re1, Bc2 and Qd3 for white.
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: hmm, Ra7 looks like a decent idea, to prepare defence of the kingside
cstarx(2111) whispers: black's 3 minor pieces are all jam up. 17.Bc2 (2:01)
cstarx(2111) whispers: I am glad the extreme weather through out Europe is over.
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: mustnt in benoni-lines a N sit on e5?
cstarx(2111) whispers: snitzel all day long, baby! 17...Bb6 (2:42) 18.Re1 (0:30)
cstarx(2111) whispers: It is hard to untie black position.
cstarx(2111) whispers: sbc is right, play c4 and what happens hapens.
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: b4
cstarx(2111) whispers: but it is really rought, c4 b4 Nb7and may be follow with a4.
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: Nb7 Nd4
cstarx(2111) whispers: *rough
cstarx(2111) whispers: Yeah Nd4 is good.
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: black cant go c4 right now, gets cramped..
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: should have at least some of square control with that pawn phalanx
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: hmmm
cstarx(2111) whispers: black cannot do much really. 18...Bc7 (6:16)
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: for my ideas black needs 9th rank :p
cstarx(2111) whispers: black should be allowed to play torus chess. Kg8-h8-a8 and then do the kingside attack. 19.Qd2 (4:01)
cstarx(2111) whispers: white is planning Qf4 with the follow up of Nh4-f5.
cstarx(2111) whispers: actually not Nh4 may be Qf4 pressure to take on f6.
mindlin(1998) whispers: hello tl observers
mindlin(1998) whispers: how is it going? 19...Nb7 (3:16)
timeconstrained(1864) whispers: hi...i think this intersting opening sequence of moves...entertaining game so far
CarlosKerber(1679) whispers: hi mind
CarlosKerber(1679) whispers: Brazil zil zil!!
CarlosKerber(1679) whispers: :D 20.Nh4 (2:06)
mindlin(1998) whispers: i would trade that bad bishop in a heartbeat 20...Ba5 (1:25)
timeconstrained(1864) whispers: why allow Ba5???
cstarx(2111) whispers: I did not see Nh4
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: this is a typical Snake Benoni move too ;)
cstarx(2111) whispers: he might overlooked that 21.Bc3 (1:45) Bxc3 (0:08) 22.Qxc3 (0:01)
timeconstrained(1864) whispers: nxe4 almost works
mindlin(1998) whispers: Nxpawn playable right
mindlin(1998) whispers: oh i see not quite playable 22...Nd7 (3:43) 23.Nhf5 (0:18) Qf6 (0:06)
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: the Kasparovian knight 24.Qd2 (0:22)
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: white threatens Nh4 Qg5 Qc3
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: and the Ne5 move runs straight into f4 24...Kh8 (9:57) 25.Rad1 (0:58)
timeconstrained(1864) whispers: is nh5 the best move...cause i really want to play it
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: its a good move... 25...Qd8 (0:49)
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: or was
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: seems I was a move behind
Credit(2069) whispers: Nxh6?
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: it is still good imho, the Nh5 stuff
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: fork doesnt work ;)
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: nasty sacrifices
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: Nxg7 or Nxh6
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: right
Credit(2069) whispers: Nxh6 if gxh6 then Qxh6 Kg8 Nh5 and how to cover g7?
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: Nxg7 Kxg7 Nh5+ Kh7 e4+, oh ya and if K goes down, Qxh6
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: yes credit, cant cover
mindlin(1998) whispers: so which is better Nxg7 or Nxh6?
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: the Nxg7 line seems more forcing
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: Nxh6 one is straight, b cant eat it
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: Nxg7 is.. black should eat it
Credit(2069) whispers: then maybe the king can go to f8?
Credit(2069) whispers: Nxg7 Kxg7 Nh5+ Kf8 Qh6 Ke7 26.Nxh6 (5:51)
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: Nxg7 KXg7 Nh5+ Kf8 Qxh6 Ke7 Qg5+ Nf6 e5 looks good enough
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: hmm but discovered check exd6 is mate
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: if Ke7 there
mindlin(1998) whispers: here he threatens Nxf7
Credit(2069) whispers: but K is not to a white square
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: probably both are fine
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: lovely to have such choices
Credit(2069) whispers: ;) 26...Qf6 (3:06)
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: well now Nhf5 and again Nh5 is a major threat
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: and if Q retreats you go Nxg7 :P
timeconstrained(1864) whispers: ng4 and e4 maybe???
milpat(1936) whispers: Ng4
Credit(2069) whispers: Ng4 is certainly an option 27.Ng4 (1:08)
Credit(2069) whispers: the other knight could go to f5 ;)
milpat(1936) whispers: then e5,even e6 maybe
timeconstrained(1864) whispers: i guess i meant e5 27...Qd8 (0:46)
Credit(2069) whispers: f4, to prepare e5? 28.Nf5 (3:15)
milpat(1936) whispers: Nf6 Nxg7
Credit(2069) whispers: Nxg4
milpat(1936) whispers: NxR
Credit(2069) whispers: no continuation ;)
milpat(1936) whispers: is ok for white or..?
Credit(2069) whispers: so then maybe Ne5 28...Rg8 (2:38)
milpat(1936) whispers: anyway, no Nf6, ends the speculation ;)
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: Nh6 seems possible here
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: Ngh6
nemotyro(1785) whispers: Saw an amazingly efficient k-side attack this morning, a KG. The sneaky taking of h3 reminds me of it.
timeconstrained(1864) whispers: e5 now
smallblackcat(1988) whispers: then Rf8 Nxg7 Kxg7 Nf5+ and Qh6
timeconstrained(1864) whispers: then sac some stuff and win
nemotyro(1785) whispers: Just can't remember they players name. 29.e5 (2:23) dxe5 (1:21)
Credit(2069) whispers: d6 :)
milpat(1936) whispers: indeed
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: ouch
Credit(2069) whispers: look at the difference between the white and the black rooks...
milpat(1936) whispers: haha
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: poor lingzhi
Credit(2069) whispers: yeah...
hugozver(1902) whispers: Credit, give him a credit!
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: FlamingPhoenix dominates the top-sections in TL 30.Nfh6 (3:06)
Credit(2069) whispers: first I thought the opening was spanish... because this difficult black positions is typically a spanish one
Credit(2069) whispers: only one?
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: many credits ;)
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: in coins please 30...Rf8 (1:04)
milpat(1936) whispers: i guess Qd3 g6 Nxf7 might work
Credit(2069) whispers: okay but given the circumstances black defends well "doing nothing" :) 31.Qd3 (1:54)
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: haha 31...g6 (0:28)
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: as if he can do something in this game
Credit(2069) whispers: he could have given the exchange with Nd6
Credit(2069) whispers: lovely square for the knight that has been crying all game ;)
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: his advantage is that he has to find the "only one working move" while white has to come out with new threats every move
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: its easier to defend
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: cause its nothing left to lose
Credit(2069) whispers: true... then you can try thing you otherwise would not try at home ;)
Credit(2069) whispers: so what's Nxf7 now?
nemotyro(1785) whispers: a N sac could just about do it. 32.Qg3 (3:00)
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: oh yeh white missed it
Credit(2069) whispers: it was not completely clear to me either
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: defending move again: Qg5, its only Queen he can move around all the way
Credit(2069) whispers: or Nd6 if black has time
Credit(2069) whispers: and then maybe some day... the rook on a7 can join the forces ;)
Funkmaus(2279) whispers: Nd6 gives e-pawn away lingzhi lost connection; game adjourned *
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