spongeworthy(2039) vs. pramado(2013) 1/2-1/2
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1.e4 (0:00) d6 (0:00) 2.d4 (0:08) e6 (0:01) 3.Nf3 (0:30) h6 (0:02) 4.c4 (0:15) Ne7 (0:02) 5.Nc3 (0:14) Nd7 (0:11) 6.Be2 (0:17) a6 (0:01) 7.O-O (0:12) g5 (1:23) 8.Qd3 (1:16) Bg7 (0:10) 9.Be3 (0:18) f5 (0:13)
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: you can play this opening as black too?
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: sure, its the hippo
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: though f5 is a bit strange
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: I would have been more inclined to play b6 and Bb7 first
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: its not the hippo according to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippopotamus_Defence
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: but then I never have, and probably never will play the hippo
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: is this the pirc lengfellner?
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: ah, cos the pawns have advanced too far ;) 10.exf5 (4:48) Nxf5 (0:02)
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: I still think its basically a hippo though 11.Rae1 (0:35) O-O (1:35)
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: what ever it is pramado was very good at it in his last game
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: I got hammered by my opponent last weekend when he played this otb... although his rating is 2200 12.Bd1 (2:10)
pramado(2013) whispers: Looking at e5 or Nf6 here, two different ideas attached to them.
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: omg, this was actually done in two world championship games
Amaterasu(2168) whispers: petrosian?
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: spassky played hippo against petrosian
pramado(2013) whispers: e5 seems stronger to me and i don't want a weak e6 pawn later on. going with e5 idea. 12...e5 (4:27)
Amaterasu(2168) whispers: ok thx 13.dxe5 (3:08) Nxe5 (0:16) 14.Nxe5 (0:07) Bxe5 (0:07) 15.Bc2 (0:44)
pramado(2013) whispers: Good series of exchanges for me, traded off my weak e pawn for his strong d pawn, my knight on d2 blocking my bishop on c8 for his developed knight on f3, and also got my black bishop on a good central square. 15...Qd7 (2:16) 16.c5 (1:17)
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: qg7 looks very natural here! 16...Qf7 (7:42)
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: any thoughts on the best move here?
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: I really like f4
timeconstrained(1971) whispers: why? 17.f4 (11:53)
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: ne4 looked promising also
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: I thought that f4 might force the exchange and put white better positionally
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: fair enough
nitelyjoy(1711) whispers: Crafty said: g4! Bxc3 gxf (+2.35), but don't see it really...
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: traditionally thinking though, white has been better positionally the entire game
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: Yes he has but with the exchange it is naturally giving him more options to mount an attack
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: of course
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: playing g5 so early is just asking for an attack, and it may finally come
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: the only concern I would have is the bb3 scenario
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: it could possibly nuetralize things for a while 17...Nxe3 (11:25)
nitelyjoy(1711) whispers: bb3 no problem as long Be6 possible 18.Rxe3 (0:56)
pramado(2013) whispers: I don't see why I can't take the f4 with with gxf4. How does white recoup it? or what is gained from the pawn sacrifice? 18...gxf4 (1:12) 19.Rxf4 (3:39)
pramado(2013) whispers: That was a nice tactic Spongeworthy, I missed that one. 19...Bxf4 (5:22)
nitelyjoy(1711) whispers: BxR Bb3 and Be6 doesn't work! 20.Bb3 (0:38) Bf5 (0:02) 21.Bxf7+ (0:54) Rxf7 (0:02)
nitelyjoy(1711) whispers: good answer. very tactical now 22.Rg3+ (0:32)
Credit(2145) whispers: Nice, very, however, doesn't black get enough for the Queen? 22...Bxg3 (0:33) 23.Qxg3+ (0:00) Rg7 (0:12) 24.Qf3 (0:31)
Credit(2145) whispers: They say, in the case of an attack, a Queen and a Knight can work together quite well, but there is no real attack by white, is there?
pramado(2013) whispers: That queen could prove my undoing if I'm not careful.
Credit(2145) whispers: OK still black has some piece coordination problems...
RobertFrost(1729) whispers: thats a very good point, now that i think back i've had some troubles trading 3 piece for queen
timeconstrained(1971) whispers: well credit i dont think the black king has much shelter so the queen should be better than the rooks 24...Rf8 (1:37)
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: in blitz the queen is almost always better ;) 25.cxd6 (0:23)
Credit(2145) whispers: The king does not seem the problem... but the pawn on the queens wing ... PACMAN ;) 25...cxd6 (0:09) 26.Qd5+ (0:04)
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: queen can gobble away if black isn't careful
Credit(2145) whispers: hmmm
RobertFrost(1729) whispers: if black can bh3 seems deadly............?
Credit(2145) whispers: yeah
Credit(2145) whispers: Rff7?
Credit(2145) whispers: to prevent the rook on f8 to be hanging after Qxf8
Credit(2145) whispers: Qxd6 26...Rff7 (1:42)
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: is Qxd6 playable? I can see Bh3 Qd8+ Kh7 Qd3+ and Qxh3, but after Qd3+ Rf8 does white have anything?
RobertFrost(1729) whispers: if white can get their knight on defense their queen might win it for them
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: in any case there would be Bf5 at the end of my first line, avoiding the loss of a piece 27.Ne4 (1:28)
pramado(2013) whispers: I have tactics on white's king here if he isn't careful..
Credit(2145) whispers: take?
Credit(2145) whispers: the rooks, they dont like the knight, but together they can challenge the queen
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: hard to imagine black losing after Bxe4, yeah
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: I'd take just because of my d6 pawn
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: keep it for a few more moves
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: me too
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: looking drawish at the moment
Credit(2145) whispers: OK, stategymaster, if you had to let go one pawn... would it be d6 or b7?
Alieth(1891) whispers: whites winning
Credit(2145) whispers: winning how ?? :)
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: how so?
Alieth(1891) whispers: simple
Alieth(1891) whispers: black is going to fall asleep and whites going to win on time
Alieth(1891) whispers: isn't it obvious?
Credit(2145) whispers: ah... only looked at the position :)
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: where do you buy a crystal ball like that:>
Alieth(1891) whispers: his head may have already hit the keyboard.
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: Wallmart?
Alieth(1891) whispers: spencers
Credit(2145) whispers: I would play Bxe4 and Rf6
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: oh sorry, didn't notice the question
Credit(2145) whispers: with the ideas Rfg6 or Re7-e2/e1
Credit(2145) whispers: all weaknesses protected :) 27...Bxe4 (6:14) 28.Qxe4 (0:00)
Credit(2145) whispers: Spongeworthy DOES like premove :)
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: of course I would rather lose the d6 pawn, its a passer, but it is weak
Credit(2145) whispers: you willl not lose it now ;)
pramado(2013) whispers: Think I am in for a draw here, I will play a few more moves though. 28...Rf6 (1:36)
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: draw???
Credit(2145) whispers: :))
Credit(2145) whispers: maybe equal but no draw
Credit(2145) whispers: Black can test White skills here for a while
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: black has the edge
pramado(2013) whispers: My opponents knights have been my bane this tournament.
Alieth(1891) whispers: blacks king to exposed
Credit(2145) whispers: Yeah... it can quite perpetualesque
Credit(2145) whispers: " "
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: white will be too busy stopping the d6 pawn
Credit(2145) whispers: huh?
Funkmaus(2147) whispers: Oh a lonely queen
Credit(2145) whispers: white will be busy qiving checks probably
Credit(2145) whispers: Qe8 for example, what do you do?
Credit(2145) whispers: Kh7, Qe4+ and would you like to put a rook in a pin?
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: you have too
Alieth(1891) whispers: then comes h4-h5
Alieth(1891) whispers: and if king moves the checks keep coming
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: Qe8+ Kh7 Qe4+ Kh8 Qe8+ Rg8 escapes the checks without a pin
Credit(2145) whispers: yeah... saw it too late :)
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: but b7 is unprotected there
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: on the other hand, black can setup a barrage with the rooks and create some threats
Credit(2145) whispers: if you put the g7rook on g6 but why not the f6one?
Credit(2145) whispers: sorry... but b7 stays protected, right?
Alieth(1891) whispers: Qe8 Kh7 Qe4 Kh8 Qe8 Rg8 Qe7 Rgf8 threatens mate and put a rook on the 7th
Credit(2145) whispers: maybe Qe8 kh7 Qe4 Rfg6 move Kh8
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: not sure, but maybe Rs on f8 and f7 with the pawn still on d6 is a good setup
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: with king on h8
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: meh, but it takes two tempi to set that up, and white just grabs d6 threatening Qxh6+
Credit(2145) whispers: If I were white... maybe play g3 as a "prophylaxic move? 29.Qe8+ (8:13) Spongeworthy offers a draw. Game drawn by mutual agreement 1/2-1/2
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: you can play this opening as black too?
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: sure, its the hippo
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: though f5 is a bit strange
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: I would have been more inclined to play b6 and Bb7 first
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: its not the hippo according to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippopotamus_Defence
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: but then I never have, and probably never will play the hippo
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: is this the pirc lengfellner?
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: ah, cos the pawns have advanced too far ;) 10.exf5 (4:48) Nxf5 (0:02)
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: I still think its basically a hippo though 11.Rae1 (0:35) O-O (1:35)
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: what ever it is pramado was very good at it in his last game
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: I got hammered by my opponent last weekend when he played this otb... although his rating is 2200 12.Bd1 (2:10)
pramado(2013) whispers: Looking at e5 or Nf6 here, two different ideas attached to them.
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: omg, this was actually done in two world championship games
Amaterasu(2168) whispers: petrosian?
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: spassky played hippo against petrosian
pramado(2013) whispers: e5 seems stronger to me and i don't want a weak e6 pawn later on. going with e5 idea. 12...e5 (4:27)
Amaterasu(2168) whispers: ok thx 13.dxe5 (3:08) Nxe5 (0:16) 14.Nxe5 (0:07) Bxe5 (0:07) 15.Bc2 (0:44)
pramado(2013) whispers: Good series of exchanges for me, traded off my weak e pawn for his strong d pawn, my knight on d2 blocking my bishop on c8 for his developed knight on f3, and also got my black bishop on a good central square. 15...Qd7 (2:16) 16.c5 (1:17)
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: qg7 looks very natural here! 16...Qf7 (7:42)
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: any thoughts on the best move here?
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: I really like f4
timeconstrained(1971) whispers: why? 17.f4 (11:53)
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: ne4 looked promising also
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: I thought that f4 might force the exchange and put white better positionally
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: fair enough
nitelyjoy(1711) whispers: Crafty said: g4! Bxc3 gxf (+2.35), but don't see it really...
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: traditionally thinking though, white has been better positionally the entire game
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: Yes he has but with the exchange it is naturally giving him more options to mount an attack
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: of course
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: playing g5 so early is just asking for an attack, and it may finally come
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: the only concern I would have is the bb3 scenario
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: it could possibly nuetralize things for a while 17...Nxe3 (11:25)
nitelyjoy(1711) whispers: bb3 no problem as long Be6 possible 18.Rxe3 (0:56)
pramado(2013) whispers: I don't see why I can't take the f4 with with gxf4. How does white recoup it? or what is gained from the pawn sacrifice? 18...gxf4 (1:12) 19.Rxf4 (3:39)
pramado(2013) whispers: That was a nice tactic Spongeworthy, I missed that one. 19...Bxf4 (5:22)
nitelyjoy(1711) whispers: BxR Bb3 and Be6 doesn't work! 20.Bb3 (0:38) Bf5 (0:02) 21.Bxf7+ (0:54) Rxf7 (0:02)
nitelyjoy(1711) whispers: good answer. very tactical now 22.Rg3+ (0:32)
Credit(2145) whispers: Nice, very, however, doesn't black get enough for the Queen? 22...Bxg3 (0:33) 23.Qxg3+ (0:00) Rg7 (0:12) 24.Qf3 (0:31)
Credit(2145) whispers: They say, in the case of an attack, a Queen and a Knight can work together quite well, but there is no real attack by white, is there?
pramado(2013) whispers: That queen could prove my undoing if I'm not careful.
Credit(2145) whispers: OK still black has some piece coordination problems...
RobertFrost(1729) whispers: thats a very good point, now that i think back i've had some troubles trading 3 piece for queen
timeconstrained(1971) whispers: well credit i dont think the black king has much shelter so the queen should be better than the rooks 24...Rf8 (1:37)
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: in blitz the queen is almost always better ;) 25.cxd6 (0:23)
Credit(2145) whispers: The king does not seem the problem... but the pawn on the queens wing ... PACMAN ;) 25...cxd6 (0:09) 26.Qd5+ (0:04)
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: queen can gobble away if black isn't careful
Credit(2145) whispers: hmmm
RobertFrost(1729) whispers: if black can bh3 seems deadly............?
Credit(2145) whispers: yeah
Credit(2145) whispers: Rff7?
Credit(2145) whispers: to prevent the rook on f8 to be hanging after Qxf8
Credit(2145) whispers: Qxd6 26...Rff7 (1:42)
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: is Qxd6 playable? I can see Bh3 Qd8+ Kh7 Qd3+ and Qxh3, but after Qd3+ Rf8 does white have anything?
RobertFrost(1729) whispers: if white can get their knight on defense their queen might win it for them
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: in any case there would be Bf5 at the end of my first line, avoiding the loss of a piece 27.Ne4 (1:28)
pramado(2013) whispers: I have tactics on white's king here if he isn't careful..
Credit(2145) whispers: take?
Credit(2145) whispers: the rooks, they dont like the knight, but together they can challenge the queen
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: hard to imagine black losing after Bxe4, yeah
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: I'd take just because of my d6 pawn
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: keep it for a few more moves
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: me too
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: looking drawish at the moment
Credit(2145) whispers: OK, stategymaster, if you had to let go one pawn... would it be d6 or b7?
Alieth(1891) whispers: whites winning
Credit(2145) whispers: winning how ?? :)
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: how so?
Alieth(1891) whispers: simple
Alieth(1891) whispers: black is going to fall asleep and whites going to win on time
Alieth(1891) whispers: isn't it obvious?
Credit(2145) whispers: ah... only looked at the position :)
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: where do you buy a crystal ball like that:>
Alieth(1891) whispers: his head may have already hit the keyboard.
NoelTheHacker(1861) whispers: Wallmart?
Alieth(1891) whispers: spencers
Credit(2145) whispers: I would play Bxe4 and Rf6
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: oh sorry, didn't notice the question
Credit(2145) whispers: with the ideas Rfg6 or Re7-e2/e1
Credit(2145) whispers: all weaknesses protected :) 27...Bxe4 (6:14) 28.Qxe4 (0:00)
Credit(2145) whispers: Spongeworthy DOES like premove :)
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: of course I would rather lose the d6 pawn, its a passer, but it is weak
Credit(2145) whispers: you willl not lose it now ;)
pramado(2013) whispers: Think I am in for a draw here, I will play a few more moves though. 28...Rf6 (1:36)
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: draw???
Credit(2145) whispers: :))
Credit(2145) whispers: maybe equal but no draw
Credit(2145) whispers: Black can test White skills here for a while
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: black has the edge
pramado(2013) whispers: My opponents knights have been my bane this tournament.
Alieth(1891) whispers: blacks king to exposed
Credit(2145) whispers: Yeah... it can quite perpetualesque
Credit(2145) whispers: " "
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: white will be too busy stopping the d6 pawn
Credit(2145) whispers: huh?
Funkmaus(2147) whispers: Oh a lonely queen
Credit(2145) whispers: white will be busy qiving checks probably
Credit(2145) whispers: Qe8 for example, what do you do?
Credit(2145) whispers: Kh7, Qe4+ and would you like to put a rook in a pin?
StrategyMaster(1912) whispers: you have too
Alieth(1891) whispers: then comes h4-h5
Alieth(1891) whispers: and if king moves the checks keep coming
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: Qe8+ Kh7 Qe4+ Kh8 Qe8+ Rg8 escapes the checks without a pin
Credit(2145) whispers: yeah... saw it too late :)
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: but b7 is unprotected there
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: on the other hand, black can setup a barrage with the rooks and create some threats
Credit(2145) whispers: if you put the g7rook on g6 but why not the f6one?
Credit(2145) whispers: sorry... but b7 stays protected, right?
Alieth(1891) whispers: Qe8 Kh7 Qe4 Kh8 Qe8 Rg8 Qe7 Rgf8 threatens mate and put a rook on the 7th
Credit(2145) whispers: maybe Qe8 kh7 Qe4 Rfg6 move Kh8
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: not sure, but maybe Rs on f8 and f7 with the pawn still on d6 is a good setup
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: with king on h8
smallblackcat(1976) whispers: meh, but it takes two tempi to set that up, and white just grabs d6 threatening Qxh6+
Credit(2145) whispers: If I were white... maybe play g3 as a "prophylaxic move? 29.Qe8+ (8:13) Spongeworthy offers a draw. Game drawn by mutual agreement 1/2-1/2
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