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delenn(2084) vs. gaelleg(2160)

delenn(2084) vs. gaelleg(2160) 0-1

1.e4 (0:00) c5 (0:00) 2.c3 (0:05) Nf6 (0:17) 3.e5 (0:11) Nd5 (0:04) 4.d4 (0:07) cxd4 (0:02) 5.Nf3 (0:08) Nc6 (0:03) 6.Bc4 (0:12) Nb6 (0:05) 7.Bb3 (0:03) d6 (0:32)
milpat(1827) whispers: go turtle 8.exd6 (0:29) Qxd6 (0:13) 9.O-O (0:06) Be6 (1:12) 10.Na3 (0:19) a6 (0:45) 11.Bxe6 (2:14) Qxe6 (0:36) 12.Re1 (4:27) Qd5 (0:24) 13.Nxd4 (1:52) Nxd4 (0:05) 14.Be3 (0:10) Nf3+ (1:04)
pramado(1987) whispers: what a sharp game here 15.gxf3 (1:38)
milpat(1827) whispers: Qc6? 15...O-O-O (4:42)
milpat(1827) whispers: wow
pramado(1987) whispers: nice move!
milpat(1827) whispers: that french turtle took his vitamins today :)
milpat(1827) whispers: not sure about QxQ Nx Ba7
pramado(1987) whispers: best for white i think is qxd5 nxd5 nc4, trying to get piece activation quickly while black has to finish development.
milpat(1827) whispers: then Nxe3
pramado(1987) whispers: that is fine for white as it strengthens his pawns
milpat(1827) whispers: maybe QxQ Nx Bd4?
pramado(1987) whispers: if bd4 then black could play f6-e5 right? 16.Bxb6 (5:28)
milpat(1827) whispers: oh
milpat(1827) whispers: Qg5
pramado(1987) whispers: !! uh oh 16...Qg5+ (0:21)
milpat(1827) whispers: there some mate on d8 to watch tho
pramado(1987) whispers: no black plays e6 and best white could do is probably to give the rook and bishop back for blacks queen, but then black is better due to pawn structure 17.Kf1 (1:29)
milpat(1827) whispers: its equalize? 17...Rxd1 (0:16) 18.Raxd1 (0:45)
pramado(1987) whispers: well it'd be even material but black would have the long term advantage of better pawn structure and possibly better minor piece with bishop v knight.
milpat(1827) whispers: yes 18...e6 (0:44)
pramado(1987) whispers: i think with good play on both sides, best white can hope for is a draw here, with some winning chances from black possibly. :(
pramado(1987) whispers: 0-0-0 from black may be the move of the game, at least to me. great move.
milpat(1827) whispers: da move for sure
pramado(1987) whispers: if white strikes quickly with his knight after the exchanges he may be able to cause enough problems for black or even win a pawn. something like nc4 threatening ne5 which attacks the f7 pawn.
Delenn(2084) whispers: I have concentration problems. My laptop's cooling fan is making so much noise lately. I really need to fix it before next TL :)
Delenn(2084) whispers: Re5 doesn't work I guess. I need e5 for my Knight. 19.Rd8+ (7:06)
pramado(1987) whispers: well he seems to be thinking that way (nc4 threat ne5).
milpat(1827) whispers: wonder if Qx Bx Bxa3 is playable?
pramado(1987) whispers: :)
evilcoyote(2022) whispers: yes that is playable pat
mikemouse(1824) whispers: prob is bxa3
milpat(1827) whispers: hey coyote man, nice to see u 19...Qxd8 (1:11) 20.Bxd8 (0:03)
Pawnadian(1988) whispers: I like that line. leaves white with terrible pawns.
milpat(1827) whispers: better than put K on d8 and wait the N
mikemouse(1824) whispers: indeed
pramado(1987) whispers: hey that is a good line. white is in more trouble than i thought!
milpat(1827) whispers: destroy strucure for good
milpat(1827) whispers: structure*
FDog(2072) whispers: the bishop is the better minor though
pramado(1987) whispers: he'd have to give the a pawn back to white probably to free his bishop again, but it would isolate white's queenside pawns which would give white terrible pawn structure for sure.
mikemouse(1824) whispers: well played gaelleg nice game
milpat(1827) whispers: if try save his B after xa3 then Bxb2
milpat(1827) whispers: so best minor means nothing maybe
evilcoyote(2022) whispers: Bxa3 allows black to develop the rook
pramado(1987) whispers: yeah white would have to play something like ba5 bxb2 bb4 and go for trapping black's bishops, which black plays a5 to get out of.
mikemouse(1824) whispers: ther's things like bf6 but looks good for black
mikemouse(1824) whispers: winning surely?
FDog(2072) whispers: that's the choice, better minor or (even) better pawns and no minors
milpat(1827) whispers: surely hard to lose
FDog(2072) whispers: I'm leaning towards KxB actually
milpat(1827) whispers: really?
mikemouse(1824) whispers: i like bxa3 myself
milpat(1827) whispers: Nc4-Ne5 will come
milpat(1827) whispers: or worse
evilcoyote(2022) whispers: for the moment the knight is going to be better than the black bishop
milpat(1827) whispers: well, regarding black thinking, must be not so obvious choice
pramado(1987) whispers: i think bxa3 is best for black. ruin white's pawns completely and give him no end game chances
mikemouse(1824) whispers: indeed
mikemouse(1824) whispers: my opinion asell
evilcoyote(2022) whispers: since its not obvious what pawns black is going to attack 20...Kxd8 (9:06) 21.Nc4 (0:14)
FDog(2072) whispers: now Bc5 and Ke7, I'd expect
pramado(1987) whispers: i'd like to know what black saw that led him to chose kxd8, i'm curious now!
mikemouse(1824) whispers: maybe he just likes bishops
FDog(2072) whispers: with just the rooks, it's harder to win IMO 21...Bc5 (1:18)
mikemouse(1824) whispers: strange
milpat(1827) whispers: hard to believe he missed Bxa3, must be reason Fdog gave earlier
mikemouse(1824) whispers: true rook endgames are dificult to win but surely? criplled pawns??
evilcoyote(2022) whispers: imagine the pawn structure after Bxa3 bxa3. Every single pawn was isolated
mikemouse(1824) whispers: i would love it as black
pramado(1987) whispers: i think white's pawns would be such a mess that black could have easily won a rook end game there.
milpat(1827) whispers: me too
pramado(1987) whispers: now b4 here? may give black some trouble.
FDog(2072) whispers: Rc2 and everything is defended 22.b4 (3:24)
FDog(2072) whispers: except a3, which can be sacrificed
FDog(2072) whispers: hmm, c file pretty weak now 22...Ba7 (0:22)
pramado(1987) whispers: but nd6 wins a pawn
FDog(2072) whispers: Nd6 Ke7 Nxb Rc8 gets it back
pramado(1987) whispers: rc1?
mikemouse(1824) whispers: strangely unneccesarily complicated imo by black
pramado(1987) whispers: rc1 saves the pawn.
FDog(2072) whispers: Bb6
FDog(2072) whispers: or Nd6 Kc7
FDog(2072) whispers: Kd7 rather
FDog(2072) whispers: no, Nd6 Kc7 is good enough
FDog(2072) whispers: hmm, except for Ng5 :)
pramado(1987) whispers: i'm not following, are you talking about 23. nd6 kc7, or later on?
FDog(2072) whispers: earlier
mikemouse(1824) whispers: im with u fdog
FDog(2072) whispers: but Nd6 Ke7 is still fine
FDog(2072) whispers: it just gives no advantage over the Bxa3 line
mikemouse(1824) whispers: bishop in open position i guess
mikemouse(1824) whispers: very average club level thinking if so tho
mikemouse(1824) whispers: imo 23.Ne5 (8:01)
mikemouse(1824) whispers: who am i to say? my whole game is crap :)
FDog(2072) whispers: hmm, I still think Nd6 was the best try
gaelleg(2160) whispers: was waiting for Nd6 forking pawns
pramado(1987) whispers: well looks like he is trying to bottle black up a little longer here with ke8 or if ke7, then rd1 threatening rd7+. and if rook exchanges white wins a pawn with nxf7+.
mikemouse(1824) whispers: i like complications myself but if i think there's an advantage i'll hoover all the pieces off 23...Ke7 (2:06)
mikemouse(1824) whispers: maybe someone explain afterwards...
FDog(2072) whispers: hmm Ke8 was stronger for black
mikemouse(1824) whispers: ...now where's that red wine?...
pramado(1987) whispers: does bb8 defend well for black here after rd1?
FDog(2072) whispers: seems like the only defense in fact
pramado(1987) whispers: white may be getting some counter play here after all. :)
FDog(2072) whispers: yes, Ke8 was better, saved a tempo
mikemouse(1824) whispers: indeed 24.Rd1 (5:20)
mikemouse(1824) whispers: black seems intent onlosing so g6 is my choice now
pramado(1987) whispers: i'm looking at rd1 bb8 f4 and thinking black may be better off to trade the minor pieces and maybe rooks on d8?
pramado(1987) whispers: or attack c3 with rc8 maybe instead of the rooks trade.
FDog(2072) whispers: Rd1 Bb8 f4 Rc8 might be fine
FDog(2072) whispers: hmm, no, that gives away b7
mikemouse(1824) whispers: i think blacks already lost
pramado(1987) whispers: yeah then black would be in trouble with white having his rook blasting on the 7th rank.
mikemouse(1824) whispers: maybe f6 would be fitting
pramado(1987) whispers: i think bb8 f4 bxn fxe5 rc8 is ok for black. white then has to defend it and black can begin to get his rook out to attack white's weak pawns.
FDog(2072) whispers: agree, that looks like the best line
FDog(2072) whispers: Rd3 Rc4-e4
pramado(1987) whispers: or even rh5?
pramado(1987) whispers: rh4* 24...Bb8 (5:28)
FDog(2072) whispers: helps white develop the K
FDog(2072) whispers: Rd3 Rc4 Re3 Rf4 I guess 25.Nd3 (3:35)
FDog(2072) whispers: hmm
pramado(1987) whispers: ??
milpat(1827) whispers: i just come back, why Rd7+ was bad?
FDog(2072) whispers: now BxP or Rd8
pramado(1987) whispers: thats just a blunder.
pramado(1987) whispers: :(
mikemouse(1824) whispers: i think black just likes complications, have to remeber that if i play him again
FDog(2072) whispers: Rd7+ Ke8 and R and N are both attacked
milpat(1827) whispers: yea, tnx
milpat(1827) whispers: and now xh2?
FDog(2072) whispers: I'm thinking Rd8 actually
FDog(2072) whispers: because Bxh2 f4
mikemouse(1824) whispers: rd8 and playtime for white putting pawns on whie squares
Pawnadian(1988) whispers: Bxh2 f4 Rd8
pramado(1987) whispers: i don't think white has an active threat against the bishop on h2, if f4 then rd8 25...b6 (3:15)
pramado(1987) whispers: but why not rc8 here for black?
milpat(1827) whispers: Rc8 Nc5
mikemouse(1824) whispers: lol
pramado(1987) whispers: nc5 b6?
milpat(1827) whispers: Nxa6
pramado(1987) whispers: bxh2?
mikemouse(1824) whispers: i lost interest in this bad endgame, worst than most of mine
milpat(1827) whispers: maybe :)
mikemouse(1824) whispers: worse@
FDog(2072) whispers: Bxh2 f4 Rd8 Ke2 threatening Rh1 26.c4 (2:59)
pramado(1987) whispers: then rd5 for black and he's ok? 26...Rd8 (0:22) 27.Ke2 (0:14)
pramado(1987) whispers: it does look like white wants black to take the h2 pawn though :) 27...h6 (1:10)
FDog(2072) whispers: Rd5 Rh1 Rh5 Kf3 etc
pramado(1987) whispers: looking back i'm sure bxa3 would be a lot more attractive for black than kxd8.
FDog(2072) whispers: he played Ke7 instead of Ke8 though
FDog(2072) whispers: Ke8, he has f6 next kicking the knight, then normal development 28.f4 (2:28)
pramado(1987) whispers: fdog if kf3?? rh3+! attacks the knight and could probably eat pawns too.
pramado(1987) whispers: true, if ke8 instead of ke7 it probably would have been different.
FDog(2072) whispers: I guess so about Kf3, but the bishop is definitely trapped there
FDog(2072) whispers: white has all the time in the world to get it
evilcoyote(2022) whispers: First move that pops into my head is Rd4 attacking both the c and f pawns 28...Rd4 (2:35)
FDog(2072) whispers: white rook needs a different file
pramado(1987) whispers: c5 here, push for a passed pawn perhaps?
FDog(2072) whispers: not very hopeful, considering the black king two squares away
pramado(1987) whispers: best hope for the position though
FDog(2072) whispers: c5 bxc bxc Bxf4 Nxf4 Rxf4 Rc1 Kd7
pramado(1987) whispers: no no!
pramado(1987) whispers: c6 not rc1
pramado(1987) whispers: keep the king away from the pawn
FDog(2072) whispers: c6 Rd4
FDog(2072) whispers: Rc4 rather
FDog(2072) whispers: and the pawn is done 29.c5 (4:38)
pramado(1987) whispers: rd7+
FDog(2072) whispers: Ke8
pramado(1987) whispers: rc7 29...bxc5 (0:52)
FDog(2072) whispers: what's the threat?
pramado(1987) whispers: rc7? protects the c pawn and sticks the king on e8 for awhile.
FDog(2072) whispers: it looks like black's rook has a free hand there 30.Nxc5 (1:46)
pramado(1987) whispers: but the rook can't really leave the c file either or white could win pawns with tactics of promotion threats.
FDog(2072) whispers: anyway, looks like Rxb4 instead
FDog(2072) whispers: Nxa Rb2+ etc 30...Rxb4 (0:59)
pramado(1987) whispers: yeah i'm not sure what white wants from this here.
FDog(2072) whispers: 45 seconds?
FDog(2072) whispers: Rb2+ K moves Bd6 and the knight is dominated
pramado(1987) whispers: looks bleak for white here, yes. still think bxc5 was his best shot in that position.
FDog(2072) whispers: better than this I'd say 31.Nxa6 (2:08) Rb2+ (0:18)
pramado(1987) whispers: well i must go here, fdog i'm looking forward to our game! glad we could work a time out to play. :)
FDog(2072) whispers: me too, see you then! 32.Rd2 (4:01)
FDog(2072) whispers: hmm, RxR+ KxR Bxf4+ and Bh2 looks bleak
gaelleg(2160) whispers: gives pawns and then i ll try to mate the N and run after a pawn
FDog(2072) whispers: at that point black could sac his bishop for a2 and still win 32...Rxd2+ (0:55) 33.Kxd2 (0:02) Bxf4+ (0:14) 34.Ke2 (0:04) Bd6 (1:05)
DragonAce(1905) whispers: this game looks hopeless for white.
milpat(1827) whispers: why not take h2?
FDog(2072) whispers: well, this dominates the knight
DragonAce(1905) whispers: This traps bishop.
DragonAce(1905) whispers: I mean knight*
FDog(2072) whispers: I guess Kd7-c6-b6 is next
DragonAce(1905) whispers: It forces white to trade bishop for knight and then black will win easily. 35.h3 (1:21) Kd7 (0:21)
FDog(2072) whispers: now it looks like black can get b4 pawn and still get back to prevent Kd6 36.Kd3 (0:10) g5 (1:27)
gaelleg(2160) whispers: mate the N was foolish to believe in and easy to calculate it wasnt possible...
FDog(2072) whispers: fortunately there's still an easy win for black here 37.Kc4 (2:49)
FDog(2072) whispers: f5 and h5
FDog(2072) whispers: trade twice on g4, and the e5 and g4 support each other against the white king 37...Kc6 (1:23) 38.Nb4+ (0:40) Bxb4 (1:54) 39.Kxb4 (0:03) h5 (0:11) 40.Kc4 (0:08)
FDog(2072) whispers: BxN KxB f5 Kc4 g4 h4 f4 Kd4 e5+! 40...g4 (0:38) 41.h4 (0:03) f5 (0:22)
milpat(1827) whispers: ur e5+ is cute :) Delenn resigns 0-1

1.e4 {(0:00)} c5 {(0:00)} 2.c3 {(0:05)} Nf6 {(0:17)} 3.e5 {(0:11)} Nd5 {(0:04)} 4.d4 {(0:07)} cxd4 {(0:02)} 5.Nf3 {(0:08)} Nc6 {(0:03)} 6.Bc4 {(0:12)} Nb6 {(0:05)} 7.Bb3 {(0:03)} d6 {(0:32)

milpat(1827) whispers: go turtle}
8.exd6 {(0:29)} Qxd6 {(0:13)} 9.O-O {(0:06)} Be6 {(1:12)} 10.Na3 {(0:19)} a6 {(0:45)} 11.Bxe6 {(2:14)} Qxe6 {(0:36)} 12.Re1 {(4:27)} Qd5 {(0:24)} 13.Nxd4 {(1:52)} Nxd4 {(0:05)} 14.Be3 {(0:10)} Nf3+ {(1:04)

pramado(1987) whispers: what a sharp game here}
15.gxf3 {(1:38)

milpat(1827) whispers: Qc6?}
15...O-O-O {(4:42)

milpat(1827) whispers: wow

pramado(1987) whispers: nice move!

milpat(1827) whispers: that french turtle took his vitamins today :)

milpat(1827) whispers: not sure about QxQ Nx Ba7

pramado(1987) whispers: best for white i think is qxd5 nxd5 nc4, trying to get piece activation quickly while black has to finish development.

milpat(1827) whispers: then Nxe3

pramado(1987) whispers: that is fine for white as it strengthens his pawns

milpat(1827) whispers: maybe QxQ Nx Bd4?

pramado(1987) whispers: if bd4 then black could play f6-e5 right?}
16.Bxb6 {(5:28)

milpat(1827) whispers: oh

milpat(1827) whispers: Qg5

pramado(1987) whispers: !! uh oh}
16...Qg5+ {(0:21)

milpat(1827) whispers: there some mate on d8 to watch tho

pramado(1987) whispers: no black plays e6 and best white could do is probably to give the rook and bishop back for blacks queen, but then black is better due to pawn structure}
17.Kf1 {(1:29)

milpat(1827) whispers: its equalize?}
17...Rxd1 {(0:16)} 18.Raxd1 {(0:45)

pramado(1987) whispers: well it'd be even material but black would have the long term advantage of better pawn structure and possibly better minor piece with bishop v knight.

milpat(1827) whispers: yes}
18...e6 {(0:44)

pramado(1987) whispers: i think with good play on both sides, best white can hope for is a draw here, with some winning chances from black possibly. :(

pramado(1987) whispers: 0-0-0 from black may be the move of the game, at least to me. great move.

milpat(1827) whispers: da move for sure

pramado(1987) whispers: if white strikes quickly with his knight after the exchanges he may be able to cause enough problems for black or even win a pawn. something like nc4 threatening ne5 which attacks the f7 pawn.

Delenn(2084) whispers: I have concentration problems. My laptop's cooling fan is making so much noise lately. I really need to fix it before next TL :)

Delenn(2084) whispers: Re5 doesn't work I guess. I need e5 for my Knight.}
19.Rd8+ {(7:06)

pramado(1987) whispers: well he seems to be thinking that way (nc4 threat ne5).

milpat(1827) whispers: wonder if Qx Bx Bxa3 is playable?

pramado(1987) whispers: :)

evilcoyote(2022) whispers: yes that is playable pat

mikemouse(1824) whispers: prob is bxa3

milpat(1827) whispers: hey coyote man, nice to see u}
19...Qxd8 {(1:11)} 20.Bxd8 {(0:03)

Pawnadian(1988) whispers: I like that line. leaves white with terrible pawns.

milpat(1827) whispers: better than put K on d8 and wait the N

mikemouse(1824) whispers: indeed

pramado(1987) whispers: hey that is a good line. white is in more trouble than i thought!

milpat(1827) whispers: destroy strucure for good

milpat(1827) whispers: structure*

FDog(2072) whispers: the bishop is the better minor though

pramado(1987) whispers: he'd have to give the a pawn back to white probably to free his bishop again, but it would isolate white's queenside pawns which would give white terrible pawn structure for sure.

mikemouse(1824) whispers: well played gaelleg nice game

milpat(1827) whispers: if try save his B after xa3 then Bxb2

milpat(1827) whispers: so best minor means nothing maybe

evilcoyote(2022) whispers: Bxa3 allows black to develop the rook

pramado(1987) whispers: yeah white would have to play something like ba5 bxb2 bb4 and go for trapping black's bishops, which black plays a5 to get out of.

mikemouse(1824) whispers: ther's things like bf6 but looks good for black

mikemouse(1824) whispers: winning surely?

FDog(2072) whispers: that's the choice, better minor or (even) better pawns and no minors

milpat(1827) whispers: surely hard to lose

FDog(2072) whispers: I'm leaning towards KxB actually

milpat(1827) whispers: really?

mikemouse(1824) whispers: i like bxa3 myself

milpat(1827) whispers: Nc4-Ne5 will come

milpat(1827) whispers: or worse

evilcoyote(2022) whispers: for the moment the knight is going to be better than the black bishop

milpat(1827) whispers: well, regarding black thinking, must be not so obvious choice

pramado(1987) whispers: i think bxa3 is best for black. ruin white's pawns completely and give him no end game chances

mikemouse(1824) whispers: indeed

mikemouse(1824) whispers: my opinion asell

evilcoyote(2022) whispers: since its not obvious what pawns black is going to attack}
20...Kxd8 {(9:06)} 21.Nc4 {(0:14)

FDog(2072) whispers: now Bc5 and Ke7, I'd expect

pramado(1987) whispers: i'd like to know what black saw that led him to chose kxd8, i'm curious now!

mikemouse(1824) whispers: maybe he just likes bishops

FDog(2072) whispers: with just the rooks, it's harder to win IMO}
21...Bc5 {(1:18)

mikemouse(1824) whispers: strange

milpat(1827) whispers: hard to believe he missed Bxa3, must be reason Fdog gave earlier

mikemouse(1824) whispers: true rook endgames are dificult to win but surely? criplled pawns??

evilcoyote(2022) whispers: imagine the pawn structure after Bxa3 bxa3. Every single pawn was isolated

mikemouse(1824) whispers: i would love it as black

pramado(1987) whispers: i think white's pawns would be such a mess that black could have easily won a rook end game there.

milpat(1827) whispers: me too

pramado(1987) whispers: now b4 here? may give black some trouble.

FDog(2072) whispers: Rc2 and everything is defended}
22.b4 {(3:24)

FDog(2072) whispers: except a3, which can be sacrificed

FDog(2072) whispers: hmm, c file pretty weak now}
22...Ba7 {(0:22)

pramado(1987) whispers: but nd6 wins a pawn

FDog(2072) whispers: Nd6 Ke7 Nxb Rc8 gets it back

pramado(1987) whispers: rc1?

mikemouse(1824) whispers: strangely unneccesarily complicated imo by black

pramado(1987) whispers: rc1 saves the pawn.

FDog(2072) whispers: Bb6

FDog(2072) whispers: or Nd6 Kc7

FDog(2072) whispers: Kd7 rather

FDog(2072) whispers: no, Nd6 Kc7 is good enough

FDog(2072) whispers: hmm, except for Ng5 :)

pramado(1987) whispers: i'm not following, are you talking about 23. nd6 kc7, or later on?

FDog(2072) whispers: earlier

mikemouse(1824) whispers: im with u fdog

FDog(2072) whispers: but Nd6 Ke7 is still fine

FDog(2072) whispers: it just gives no advantage over the Bxa3 line

mikemouse(1824) whispers: bishop in open position i guess

mikemouse(1824) whispers: very average club level thinking if so tho

mikemouse(1824) whispers: imo}
23.Ne5 {(8:01)

mikemouse(1824) whispers: who am i to say? my whole game is crap :)

FDog(2072) whispers: hmm, I still think Nd6 was the best try

gaelleg(2160) whispers: was waiting for Nd6 forking pawns

pramado(1987) whispers: well looks like he is trying to bottle black up a little longer here with ke8 or if ke7, then rd1 threatening rd7+. and if rook exchanges white wins a pawn with nxf7+.

mikemouse(1824) whispers: i like complications myself but if i think there's an advantage i'll hoover all the pieces off}
23...Ke7 {(2:06)

mikemouse(1824) whispers: maybe someone explain afterwards...

FDog(2072) whispers: hmm Ke8 was stronger for black

mikemouse(1824) whispers: ...now where's that red wine?...

pramado(1987) whispers: does bb8 defend well for black here after rd1?

FDog(2072) whispers: seems like the only defense in fact

pramado(1987) whispers: white may be getting some counter play here after all. :)

FDog(2072) whispers: yes, Ke8 was better, saved a tempo

mikemouse(1824) whispers: indeed}
24.Rd1 {(5:20)

mikemouse(1824) whispers: black seems intent onlosing so g6 is my choice now

pramado(1987) whispers: i'm looking at rd1 bb8 f4 and thinking black may be better off to trade the minor pieces and maybe rooks on d8?

pramado(1987) whispers: or attack c3 with rc8 maybe instead of the rooks trade.

FDog(2072) whispers: Rd1 Bb8 f4 Rc8 might be fine

FDog(2072) whispers: hmm, no, that gives away b7

mikemouse(1824) whispers: i think blacks already lost

pramado(1987) whispers: yeah then black would be in trouble with white having his rook blasting on the 7th rank.

mikemouse(1824) whispers: maybe f6 would be fitting

pramado(1987) whispers: i think bb8 f4 bxn fxe5 rc8 is ok for black. white then has to defend it and black can begin to get his rook out to attack white's weak pawns.

FDog(2072) whispers: agree, that looks like the best line

FDog(2072) whispers: Rd3 Rc4-e4

pramado(1987) whispers: or even rh5?

pramado(1987) whispers: rh4*}
24...Bb8 {(5:28)

FDog(2072) whispers: helps white develop the K

FDog(2072) whispers: Rd3 Rc4 Re3 Rf4 I guess}
25.Nd3 {(3:35)

FDog(2072) whispers: hmm

pramado(1987) whispers: ??

milpat(1827) whispers: i just come back, why Rd7+ was bad?

FDog(2072) whispers: now BxP or Rd8

pramado(1987) whispers: thats just a blunder.

pramado(1987) whispers: :(

mikemouse(1824) whispers: i think black just likes complications, have to remeber that if i play him again

FDog(2072) whispers: Rd7+ Ke8 and R and N are both attacked

milpat(1827) whispers: yea, tnx

milpat(1827) whispers: and now xh2?

FDog(2072) whispers: I'm thinking Rd8 actually

FDog(2072) whispers: because Bxh2 f4

mikemouse(1824) whispers: rd8 and playtime for white putting pawns on whie squares

Pawnadian(1988) whispers: Bxh2 f4 Rd8

pramado(1987) whispers: i don't think white has an active threat against the bishop on h2, if f4 then rd8}
25...b6 {(3:15)

pramado(1987) whispers: but why not rc8 here for black?

milpat(1827) whispers: Rc8 Nc5

mikemouse(1824) whispers: lol

pramado(1987) whispers: nc5 b6?

milpat(1827) whispers: Nxa6

pramado(1987) whispers: bxh2?

mikemouse(1824) whispers: i lost interest in this bad endgame, worst than most of mine

milpat(1827) whispers: maybe :)

mikemouse(1824) whispers: worse@

FDog(2072) whispers: Bxh2 f4 Rd8 Ke2 threatening Rh1}
26.c4 {(2:59)

pramado(1987) whispers: then rd5 for black and he's ok?}
26...Rd8 {(0:22)} 27.Ke2 {(0:14)

pramado(1987) whispers: it does look like white wants black to take the h2 pawn though :)}
27...h6 {(1:10)

FDog(2072) whispers: Rd5 Rh1 Rh5 Kf3 etc

pramado(1987) whispers: looking back i'm sure bxa3 would be a lot more attractive for black than kxd8.

FDog(2072) whispers: he played Ke7 instead of Ke8 though

FDog(2072) whispers: Ke8, he has f6 next kicking the knight, then normal development}
28.f4 {(2:28)

pramado(1987) whispers: fdog if kf3?? rh3+! attacks the knight and could probably eat pawns too.

pramado(1987) whispers: true, if ke8 instead of ke7 it probably would have been different.

FDog(2072) whispers: I guess so about Kf3, but the bishop is definitely trapped there

FDog(2072) whispers: white has all the time in the world to get it

evilcoyote(2022) whispers: First move that pops into my head is Rd4 attacking both the c and f pawns}
28...Rd4 {(2:35)

FDog(2072) whispers: white rook needs a different file

pramado(1987) whispers: c5 here, push for a passed pawn perhaps?

FDog(2072) whispers: not very hopeful, considering the black king two squares away

pramado(1987) whispers: best hope for the position though

FDog(2072) whispers: c5 bxc bxc Bxf4 Nxf4 Rxf4 Rc1 Kd7

pramado(1987) whispers: no no!

pramado(1987) whispers: c6 not rc1

pramado(1987) whispers: keep the king away from the pawn

FDog(2072) whispers: c6 Rd4

FDog(2072) whispers: Rc4 rather

FDog(2072) whispers: and the pawn is done}
29.c5 {(4:38)

pramado(1987) whispers: rd7+

FDog(2072) whispers: Ke8

pramado(1987) whispers: rc7}
29...bxc5 {(0:52)

FDog(2072) whispers: what's the threat?

pramado(1987) whispers: rc7? protects the c pawn and sticks the king on e8 for awhile.

FDog(2072) whispers: it looks like black's rook has a free hand there}
30.Nxc5 {(1:46)

pramado(1987) whispers: but the rook can't really leave the c file either or white could win pawns with tactics of promotion threats.

FDog(2072) whispers: anyway, looks like Rxb4 instead

FDog(2072) whispers: Nxa Rb2+ etc}
30...Rxb4 {(0:59)

pramado(1987) whispers: yeah i'm not sure what white wants from this here.

FDog(2072) whispers: 45 seconds?

FDog(2072) whispers: Rb2+ K moves Bd6 and the knight is dominated

pramado(1987) whispers: looks bleak for white here, yes. still think bxc5 was his best shot in that position.

FDog(2072) whispers: better than this I'd say}
31.Nxa6 {(2:08)} Rb2+ {(0:18)

pramado(1987) whispers: well i must go here, fdog i'm looking forward to our game! glad we could work a time out to play. :)

FDog(2072) whispers: me too, see you then!}
32.Rd2 {(4:01)

FDog(2072) whispers: hmm, RxR+ KxR Bxf4+ and Bh2 looks bleak

gaelleg(2160) whispers: gives pawns and then i ll try to mate the N and run after a pawn

FDog(2072) whispers: at that point black could sac his bishop for a2 and still win}
32...Rxd2+ {(0:55)} 33.Kxd2 {(0:02)} Bxf4+ {(0:14)} 34.Ke2 {(0:04)} Bd6 {(1:05)

DragonAce(1905) whispers: this game looks hopeless for white.

milpat(1827) whispers: why not take h2?

FDog(2072) whispers: well, this dominates the knight

DragonAce(1905) whispers: This traps bishop.

DragonAce(1905) whispers: I mean knight*

FDog(2072) whispers: I guess Kd7-c6-b6 is next

DragonAce(1905) whispers: It forces white to trade bishop for knight and then black will win easily.}
35.h3 {(1:21)} Kd7 {(0:21)

FDog(2072) whispers: now it looks like black can get b4 pawn and still get back to prevent Kd6}
36.Kd3 {(0:10)} g5 {(1:27)

gaelleg(2160) whispers: mate the N was foolish to believe in and easy to calculate it wasnt possible...

FDog(2072) whispers: fortunately there's still an easy win for black here}
37.Kc4 {(2:49)

FDog(2072) whispers: f5 and h5

FDog(2072) whispers: trade twice on g4, and the e5 and g4 support each other against the white king}
37...Kc6 {(1:23)} 38.Nb4+ {(0:40)} Bxb4 {(1:54)} 39.Kxb4 {(0:03)} h5 {(0:11)} 40.Kc4 {(0:08)

FDog(2072) whispers: BxN KxB f5 Kc4 g4 h4 f4 Kd4 e5+!}
40...g4 {(0:38)} 41.h4 {(0:03)} f5 {(0:22)

milpat(1827) whispers: ur e5+ is cute :)}
{Delenn resigns} 0-1

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