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outposter(1889) vs. kirany(2002) 1/2-1/2

1.d4 (0:00) d5 (0:00) 2.c4 (0:02) c6 (0:03) 3.cxd5 (0:05) cxd5 (0:03) 4.Nc3 (0:02) Nc6 (0:04) 5.Bf4 (0:23) Nf6 (1:21) 6.Nf3 (0:17) Bf5 (0:16) 7.e3 (0:11) e6 (0:32) 8.Bb5 (0:06) Nd7 (4:16) 9.O-O (1:30) Be7 (5:09) 10.Qa4 (2:14) Qb6 (0:35) 11.Ne5 (6:28)
Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: comments flying fast here ;) 11...Ndxe5 (0:22) 12.Bxe5 (0:09) O-O (0:03) 13.Bxc6 (1:14) bxc6 (0:27)
fernbap(1763) whispers: <insert comment here>
Plebusan(1806) whispers: slav exchange is probably the best opening for both sides
Aneirin(1803) whispers: :o
fernbap(1763) whispers: the slav is just a way to trade pieces and achieve a drawn position
Plebusan(1806) whispers: exactly! :-)
Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: ah, the true essence of fascinating chess then
Aneirin(1803) whispers: that can hardly be the best opening for white then? although I can see it for black, not that I would play it.
fernbap(1763) whispers: besides, saying that something is the "best for both sides" is nonsensical :P
fernbap(1763) whispers: chess is all about not being the best for both sides
Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: the reasoning is simple, white hates the Slav and decides to punish black by playing the Slav Exchange which black seldom enjoys 14.Rfc1 (6:23)
HindsFeet(0) whispers: best for both sides Command: best Purpose: list the 20 highest rated players in the ratings categories Usage: best (b|s|l|w|B|S) (default: bsl) Examples: best; best s
Aneirin(1803) whispers: ah, I see, MMR.
Plebusan(1806) whispers: so the slav exchange is really a game of chess which white hates and black seldom enjoys
Aneirin(1803) whispers: if you hate the slav, you have a problem as a 1. d4 player. I rarely see a game that doesn't go slav. :)
KiranY(2002) whispers: qxp?
fernbap(1763) whispers: the slav can give rise to many insteresting gambits
fernbap(1763) whispers: by chosing the exchange variation, white is just saying "i'm happy with a draw"
Aneirin(1803) whispers: I heard the word gambit :)
KiranY(2002) whispers: qxp qxp rfc8
fernbap(1763) whispers: and is so boring that both players agree to a draw rather than continuing playing that boring game :P
Aneirin(1803) whispers: I like gambit.
Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: I thought you claimed you had matured from those things, Ani ;)
fernbap(1763) whispers: aneirin, the botwinnik gambit is excelent
Aneirin(1803) whispers: yeah, not really. I thought so, but in my last TL game I couldn't resist the urge anyhow.
KiranY(2002) whispers: qd7 rxn
KiranY(2002) whispers: maybe qb5
Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: Slav Exchange is the opening for true chess lovers, anyone not obsessed could stand playing the opening
Aneirin(1803) whispers: lol
fernbap(1763) whispers: lol
Aneirin(1803) whispers: so what are the plans here, for either side?
Aneirin(1803) whispers: assuming they don't want to draw yet.
Aneirin(1803) whispers: I can see white is going to put pressure on c.
fernbap(1763) whispers: the plan is trying to unbalance the position somehow
fernbap(1763) whispers: but here, doing that is usually not advantageous to the one who does it
Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: Qxb2 unbalances the position
fernbap(1763) whispers: symetric pawn structure = boring game where nothing happens
Aneirin(1803) whispers: it's not completely symmetric :)
Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: fernbap, it's not a symmetric pawn structure
fernbap(1763) whispers: right, madman, not now
Plebusan(1806) whispers: Qxb2 seems to balance the position
Aneirin(1803) whispers: so, actually, 'why' is this boring then
Aneirin(1803) whispers: little opportunities for tactical complexities?
fernbap(1763) whispers: but only because black wanted it at the expense of his own position
Plebusan(1806) whispers: Qxb2 Qxc6 = symmetrical pawns 14...Rfc8 (6:35)
Aneirin(1803) whispers: hehe Plebusan
derMandarin(2143) whispers: boringY
derMandarin(2143) whispers: :))
fernbap(1763) whispers: aneiring, according to a IM tutor i saw once on ICC, "you need pawns to attack" and symetrical structures don't allow for it
derMandarin(2143) whispers: dont think Kiran will go for Qxb2. Also there is still bishop vs. knight
fernbap(1763) whispers: that's the wholse reasoning behind the sicilian, for instance 15.Nd1 (1:16)
Aneirin(1803) whispers: I can see the logic behind that :) 15...f6 (2:46)
KiranY(2002) whispers: coz c5 qd7 is troublesome 16.Bg3 (0:16)
KiranY(2002) whispers: now c5 qd7 kf8 16...c5 (0:48) 17.dxc5 (0:48) Bxc5 (0:11)
Aneirin(1803) whispers: real pawn imbalance now :)
Aneirin(1803) whispers: I can see this gearing up to be a superspectacular game now, according to fernbap's theory. 18.a3 (1:17) a5 (0:24) 19.Qf4 (4:32) Bg6 (3:25) 20.Qf3 (2:36) a4 (1:02)
fernbap(1763) whispers: there are imbalances and imbalances, aneirin :D 21.Qe2 (0:57)
pchesso(1754) whispers: white has better pawns, black better pieces? 21...d4 (2:46)
fernbap(1763) whispers: see? you need pawns to attack ;) 22.exd4 (2:08) Bxd4 (1:57) 23.Nc3 (0:50)
Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: only ten of them left
pchesso(1754) whispers: i like Qb3 here
KiranY(2002) whispers: if bxn bxc3 opp color bishop and only slight adv..
KiranY(2002) whispers: and i could try to win c3..but would that be enough
KiranY(2002) whispers: e5 nxa4
KiranY(2002) whispers: rxr rxr rxn rc8 kf7 rc7
KiranY(2002) whispers: ke6 maybe
Aneirin(1803) whispers: looks shady
KiranY(2002) whispers: e5 nb5
pchesso(1754) whispers: another idea would be Qa6, preparing Bd3, getting the B on b3 ?
KiranY(2002) whispers: rc6 nb5
Fashion(1719) whispers: y kiran y
pchesso(1754) whispers: @a6, the Q would defend e6 and c8 and a8 and a4, all important
KiranY(2002) whispers: ra45 ne4
KiranY(2002) whispers: will play it safe 23...Bxc3 (12:41)
fernbap(1763) whispers: hmm.... 24.Rxc3 (0:29) Rxc3 (0:05) 25.bxc3 (0:06)
Fashion(1719) whispers: hmmm hmmmm hmmm 25...Rc8 (0:21) 26.Rc1 (2:32) Qb3 (0:08)
Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: not sure Ani's prediction came true Aneirin(1803): I can see this gearing up to be a superspectacular game now, according to fernbap's theory.
pchesso(1754) whispers: maybe not spectacular, but a good game 27.Bd6 (1:07)
Aneirin(1803) whispers: so it's actually fernbap's prediction that came true :)
Aneirin(1803) whispers: or not so much.
KiranY(2002) whispers: probably drawish..but its ok for team score i guess
KiranY(2002) whispers: not for my rating though :D
Aneirin(1803) whispers: hehe
KiranY(2002) whispers: rxp rxr qxp qxe6 bf7
Aneirin(1803) whispers: yes, I was just looking at that line
KiranY(2002) whispers: he has to cover back rank and save queen
KiranY(2002) whispers: just qe2 27...Rxc3 (5:29) 28.Rxc3 (0:20) Qxc3 (0:02) 29.Qxe6+ (0:03) Bf7 (0:01) 30.Qe2 (0:21) KiranY requests to abort the game. KiranY offers a draw. Outposter accepts the draw request. Game drawn by mutual agreement 1/2-1/2

1.d4 {(0:00)} d5 {(0:00)} 2.c4 {(0:02)} c6 {(0:03)} 3.cxd5 {(0:05)} cxd5 {(0:03)} 4.Nc3 {(0:02)} Nc6 {(0:04)} 5.Bf4 {(0:23)} Nf6 {(1:21)} 6.Nf3 {(0:17)} Bf5 {(0:16)} 7.e3 {(0:11)} e6 {(0:32)} 8.Bb5 {(0:06)} Nd7 {(4:16)} 9.O-O {(1:30)} Be7 {(5:09)} 10.Qa4 {(2:14)} Qb6 {(0:35)} 11.Ne5 {(6:28)

Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: comments flying fast here ;)}
11...Ndxe5 {(0:22)} 12.Bxe5 {(0:09)} O-O {(0:03)} 13.Bxc6 {(1:14)} bxc6 {(0:27)

fernbap(1763) whispers: <insert comment here>

Plebusan(1806) whispers: slav exchange is probably the best opening for both sides

Aneirin(1803) whispers: :o

fernbap(1763) whispers: the slav is just a way to trade pieces and achieve a drawn position

Plebusan(1806) whispers: exactly! :-)

Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: ah, the true essence of fascinating chess then

Aneirin(1803) whispers: that can hardly be the best opening for white then? although I can see it for black, not that I would play it.

fernbap(1763) whispers: besides, saying that something is the "best for both sides" is nonsensical :P

fernbap(1763) whispers: chess is all about not being the best for both sides

Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: the reasoning is simple, white hates the Slav and decides to punish black by playing the Slav Exchange which black seldom enjoys}
14.Rfc1 {(6:23)

HindsFeet(0) whispers: best for both sides Command: best Purpose: list the 20 highest rated players in the ratings categories Usage: best (b|s|l|w|B|S) (default: bsl) Examples: best; best s

Aneirin(1803) whispers: ah, I see, MMR.

Plebusan(1806) whispers: so the slav exchange is really a game of chess which white hates and black seldom enjoys

Aneirin(1803) whispers: if you hate the slav, you have a problem as a 1. d4 player. I rarely see a game that doesn't go slav. :)

KiranY(2002) whispers: qxp?

fernbap(1763) whispers: the slav can give rise to many insteresting gambits

fernbap(1763) whispers: by chosing the exchange variation, white is just saying "i'm happy with a draw"

Aneirin(1803) whispers: I heard the word gambit :)

KiranY(2002) whispers: qxp qxp rfc8

fernbap(1763) whispers: and is so boring that both players agree to a draw rather than continuing playing that boring game :P

Aneirin(1803) whispers: I like gambit.

Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: I thought you claimed you had matured from those things, Ani ;)

fernbap(1763) whispers: aneirin, the botwinnik gambit is excelent

Aneirin(1803) whispers: yeah, not really. I thought so, but in my last TL game I couldn't resist the urge anyhow.

KiranY(2002) whispers: qd7 rxn

KiranY(2002) whispers: maybe qb5

Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: Slav Exchange is the opening for true chess lovers, anyone not obsessed could stand playing the opening

Aneirin(1803) whispers: lol

fernbap(1763) whispers: lol

Aneirin(1803) whispers: so what are the plans here, for either side?

Aneirin(1803) whispers: assuming they don't want to draw yet.

Aneirin(1803) whispers: I can see white is going to put pressure on c.

fernbap(1763) whispers: the plan is trying to unbalance the position somehow

fernbap(1763) whispers: but here, doing that is usually not advantageous to the one who does it

Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: Qxb2 unbalances the position

fernbap(1763) whispers: symetric pawn structure = boring game where nothing happens

Aneirin(1803) whispers: it's not completely symmetric :)

Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: fernbap, it's not a symmetric pawn structure

fernbap(1763) whispers: right, madman, not now

Plebusan(1806) whispers: Qxb2 seems to balance the position

Aneirin(1803) whispers: so, actually, 'why' is this boring then

Aneirin(1803) whispers: little opportunities for tactical complexities?

fernbap(1763) whispers: but only because black wanted it at the expense of his own position

Plebusan(1806) whispers: Qxb2 Qxc6 = symmetrical pawns}
14...Rfc8 {(6:35)

Aneirin(1803) whispers: hehe Plebusan

derMandarin(2143) whispers: boringY

derMandarin(2143) whispers: :))

fernbap(1763) whispers: aneiring, according to a IM tutor i saw once on ICC, "you need pawns to attack" and symetrical structures don't allow for it

derMandarin(2143) whispers: dont think Kiran will go for Qxb2. Also there is still bishop vs. knight

fernbap(1763) whispers: that's the wholse reasoning behind the sicilian, for instance}
15.Nd1 {(1:16)

Aneirin(1803) whispers: I can see the logic behind that :)}
15...f6 {(2:46)

KiranY(2002) whispers: coz c5 qd7 is troublesome}
16.Bg3 {(0:16)

KiranY(2002) whispers: now c5 qd7 kf8}
16...c5 {(0:48)} 17.dxc5 {(0:48)} Bxc5 {(0:11)

Aneirin(1803) whispers: real pawn imbalance now :)

Aneirin(1803) whispers: I can see this gearing up to be a superspectacular game now, according to fernbap's theory.}
18.a3 {(1:17)} a5 {(0:24)} 19.Qf4 {(4:32)} Bg6 {(3:25)} 20.Qf3 {(2:36)} a4 {(1:02)

fernbap(1763) whispers: there are imbalances and imbalances, aneirin :D}
21.Qe2 {(0:57)

pchesso(1754) whispers: white has better pawns, black better pieces?}
21...d4 {(2:46)

fernbap(1763) whispers: see? you need pawns to attack ;)}
22.exd4 {(2:08)} Bxd4 {(1:57)} 23.Nc3 {(0:50)

Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: only ten of them left

pchesso(1754) whispers: i like Qb3 here

KiranY(2002) whispers: if bxn bxc3 opp color bishop and only slight adv..

KiranY(2002) whispers: and i could try to win c3..but would that be enough

KiranY(2002) whispers: e5 nxa4

KiranY(2002) whispers: rxr rxr rxn rc8 kf7 rc7

KiranY(2002) whispers: ke6 maybe

Aneirin(1803) whispers: looks shady

KiranY(2002) whispers: e5 nb5

pchesso(1754) whispers: another idea would be Qa6, preparing Bd3, getting the B on b3 ?

KiranY(2002) whispers: rc6 nb5

Fashion(1719) whispers: y kiran y

pchesso(1754) whispers: @a6, the Q would defend e6 and c8 and a8 and a4, all important

KiranY(2002) whispers: ra45 ne4

KiranY(2002) whispers: will play it safe}
23...Bxc3 {(12:41)

fernbap(1763) whispers: hmm....}
24.Rxc3 {(0:29)} Rxc3 {(0:05)} 25.bxc3 {(0:06)

Fashion(1719) whispers: hmmm hmmmm hmmm}
25...Rc8 {(0:21)} 26.Rc1 {(2:32)} Qb3 {(0:08)

Madmansreturn(1960) whispers: not sure Ani's prediction came true Aneirin(1803): I can see this gearing up to be a superspectacular game now, according to fernbap's theory.

pchesso(1754) whispers: maybe not spectacular, but a good game}
27.Bd6 {(1:07)

Aneirin(1803) whispers: so it's actually fernbap's prediction that came true :)

Aneirin(1803) whispers: or not so much.

KiranY(2002) whispers: probably drawish..but its ok for team score i guess

KiranY(2002) whispers: not for my rating though :D

Aneirin(1803) whispers: hehe

KiranY(2002) whispers: rxp rxr qxp qxe6 bf7

Aneirin(1803) whispers: yes, I was just looking at that line

KiranY(2002) whispers: he has to cover back rank and save queen

KiranY(2002) whispers: just qe2}
27...Rxc3 {(5:29)} 28.Rxc3 {(0:20)} Qxc3 {(0:02)} 29.Qxe6+ {(0:03)} Bf7 {(0:01)} 30.Qe2 {(0:21)
KiranY requests to abort the game.
KiranY offers a draw.
Outposter accepts the draw request.}
{Game drawn by mutual agreement} 1/2-1/2

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