opinel(2497) vs. maras(2242) *
Login to get PGN standard 45+45, 2010-05-29
1.e4 (0:00) e6 (0:00) 2.d4 (0:10) d5 (0:03) 3.Nc3 (0:04) Bb4 (0:04) 4.Ne2 (0:04)
CrazyHunter(1883) whispers: a rematch!?
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: isn't this a unusually normal opening variation for being Maras? :)
CrazyHunter(1883) whispers: Opinel doesn't play winawer apparently
pchesso(1710) whispers: hi all, gl Maras!!
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: 365chess tells me this is Winawer, Alekhine (Maroczy) gambit 4...dxe4 (4:01) 5.a3 (0:02) Be7 (0:04) 6.Nxe4 (0:05) Nf6 (0:09) 7.N2g3 (0:25) Nbd7 (2:20) 8.h4 (2:52)
CrazyHunter(1883) whispers: wow h4 8...e5 (6:46) 9.Be3 (9:46) Nd5 (8:29) 10.Nf5 (4:35)
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: not many comments in this game, is it because noone understands a thing just like me?
GaraE(1490) whispers: Just looked like Opinel's doing better and seems to be winning.
GaraE(1490) whispers: Maras feeling the greater pressure or requiring more time to think.
GaraE(1490) whispers: White's current position is already exploiting a black position weakness.
NoiroP(1835) whispers: something like that Madmans :D
GaraE(1490) whispers: No specifics because, the only thing I see are threats of Nxg7 or Nh6, white seems to nicely set up for potential kingside attacks.
GaraE(1490) whispers: So no castling probably. 10...Nxe3 (3:35) 11.fxe3 (0:00)
nubie(1595) whispers: Nbd7 was not main line here according to the book I have, instead 0-0 and Nc6. Of course Maras may know newer theory. But after h4 e5 seemed pretty good, looked like black is cramped but not necessarily that much worse
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: if I didn't make a mistake, 8.h4 was not in the 365chess database 11...g6 (1:56) 12.Nh6 (0:07)
GaraE(1490) whispers: There's the Nh6
GaraE(1490) whispers: Threatening Bc4 I suppose, though things are far less clear to me now. Ran out of steam. :P 12...Bxh4+ (2:35)
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: is it too risky for black to play Bxh4+ here?
GaraE(1490) whispers: Nope, I didn't calculate the risks for it. 13.g3 (1:00) Bg5 (0:01) 14.Nxg5 (0:04) Qxg5 (0:07) 15.Qf3 (0:03)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Figured opened file and g3 to avoid Rxh4??.
nubie(1595) whispers: seems like Maras will be defending a pawn up in this game. Probably not so pleasant vs a player rated a few hundred points higher
GaraE(1490) whispers: But didn't look further.
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: nubie, at least that's more pleasant that defending with no pawn up ;)
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: *than defending
nubie(1595) whispers: good point :)
GaraE(1490) whispers: And rather than saying didn't look further, I think more accurate is I couldn't look further. :P
GaraE(1490) whispers: Wondering if there's anything wrong with f5.
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: I think I prefer Qf6 (black has to move out of the f7 fork anyway after Bc4) 15...Qf6 (11:46)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Rough situation for Maras, not only does he have to contend with reduced time now, but his opponent's one who is surely more than capable of completing analysis of a large number of possible moves on Maras's thinking time. 16.Qe4 (1:54) Qe6 (0:05)
Opinel(2497) whispers: that's a very good move! i missed it
GaraE(1490) whispers: And just after I thought Maras was done for in thinking time. :P What a rebound in that respect. 17.Qh4 (17:41)
smallblackcat(2007) whispers: f5 and e4 seems positionally desireable
smallblackcat(2007) whispers: keep the centre closed, and close the h1-a8 diagonal
GaraE(1490) whispers: Liking it, seems good.
pchesso(1710) whispers: f5 g4 ? shouldn't black better try to get the king somewhere safe? dont know how, though
smallblackcat(2007) whispers: f5 g4 exd4
smallblackcat(2007) whispers: and Qxe3+ next, even if white castles
pchesso(1710) whispers: oh yes
smallblackcat(2007) whispers: neither king is that secure here
smallblackcat(2007) whispers: both are potentially safe on the queenside, but black's would be less safe if that long diagonal remains open
pchesso(1710) whispers: maybe develop N and play black K to c7 ?
smallblackcat(2007) whispers: if black finds time to play f5 e4 Nf6 Bd7 and 0-0-0, he'll be fine
smallblackcat(2007) whispers: that is unlikely, of course 17...Nb6 (7:34) 18.O-O-O (2:32) Bd7 (0:42) 19.Kb1 (1:50) Qe7 (0:52)
pchesso(1710) whispers: f6 and 0-0-0 ?
GaraE(1490) whispers: Wondering about Bc6-Bf3 and then f5. 20.dxe5 (1:37)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Well, if was given the chance.
pchesso(1710) whispers: Qxh4 Rxh4 and 0-0-0 loses to Nxf7 ?
GaraE(1490) whispers: Yeah. 20...Bc6 (1:09) 21.Rh2 (0:17)
pchesso(1710) whispers: oh, but Ke7 is safe? 21...Qxh4 (0:57) 22.Rxh4 (0:00) Nd7 (0:01)
GaraE(1490) whispers: I liked your Ke7 more.
pchesso(1710) whispers: wow! go Maras!! :)
pchesso(1710) whispers: K can go f8-g7, which is even better ?
GaraE(1490) whispers: On principle sure, but was thinking it may be secure enough to boldly keep him in centre files.
GaraE(1490) whispers: Dark square vulnerabilities reduced by now, and e file double barricaded by white's own pawns.
pchesso(1710) whispers: yes, but this seems to safely regain the pawn
GaraE(1490) whispers: And a Ke7 would maintain control over d8 23.Rf4 (3:03) Nxe5 (0:23) 24.Bb5 (0:07)
pchesso(1710) whispers: f5 ? 24...f5 (2:38)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Seems as though Nf7 could recover the possibility for O-O.
GaraE(1490) whispers: That, or allow for Nxf7 Kxf7. 25.Rd5 (0:46) Nd7 (0:18) 26.Bxc6 (1:01) bxc6 (0:01) 27.Rd1 (0:09)
pchesso(1710) whispers: Ke7 or Rd8 both look fine, i think black is out of the worst now
GaraE(1490) whispers: Ne5 looks bad now, e4 seems to suggest pinning that knight.
pchesso(1710) whispers: Ke7, followed by Nc5-e4 perhaps 27...Rf8 (3:13)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Nc5 might coerce Rc4 though
GaraE(1490) whispers: Black's still squeezed a bit. 28.e4 (0:45) O-O-O (0:13) 29.exf5 (0:13) gxf5 (0:17) 30.Nxf5 (0:32) Nb6 (0:21) 31.Rh1 (0:54) Nd5 (0:05)
spendius(1806) whispers: w19
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: having been away a while, was there something wrong with 24.- Bxb5?
GaraE(1490) whispers: 25. Rd5 32.Rf3 (1:55)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Would've been a double attack on bishop and knight with threats against f7
GaraE(1490) whispers: As well as checking on e file possible.
pchesso(1710) whispers: Nf6 Ne7+ Kb7 Rhf1 ?
pchesso(1710) whispers: crap 32...Nf6 (2:07)
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: still feels like Maras must have missed something in the last ten moves or so, because black looked better ten moves ago I reckon
GaraE(1490) whispers: I was thinking of 25.- Nf7 instead of Nd7, but not sure if it was better. 33.Ne7+ (1:16) Kd7 (0:27) 34.Re3 (0:02)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Seems as though 25.- Nf7 would've lost stuff to Nxf7 Kxf7 Bxc6 bxc6 Rd7+.
GaraE(1490) whispers: So probably not.
eastorwest(1783) whispers: Rd1+ now? 34...Rde8 (2:14)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Rd1+ Nd5, seemsto barely work out. 35.Rd1+ (0:13)
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: hmm, 24.- Bxb5 25.Rd5 Nc6 26.Rxb5 0-0-0 looks good for black? 35...Nd5 (0:01)
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: white will be up a pawn but black can draw this
GaraE(1490) whispers: Madmansreturn, f7 is taken at that point by knight.
GaraE(1490) whispers: Which forks the rooks.
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: but black has Rd1+ 36.Nxd5 (0:04) cxd5 (0:01) 37.Rxe8 (0:02)
GaraE(1490) whispers: I see, that does break the fork. 37...Rxe8 (0:34) 38.Rxd5+ (0:06) Kc6 (0:03) 39.Rh5 (0:24)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Yeah that does seem like it could be okay for black (The Bxb5), though white seems to be still fighting well.
pchesso(1710) whispers: Re1+ Ka2 Rg1 ?
GaraE(1490) whispers: I guess it'd have been a road better ventured than this one.
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: Rg8
pchesso(1710) whispers: why better Rg8, Hyp?
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: given that Maras was down to 7 minutes after his 17th move, he has held the position together very good though 39...Re3 (1:51)
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: Rybka said so (j/k) :)
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: anyway it made sense cause then white has to play Rh3 40.g4 (0:15) Re4 (0:03)
pchesso(1710) whispers: well, Rg8 or Re3 or my Re1/Ka2/Rg1 - this is really where i would appreciate an Averbakh or so being right here and tell... :) 41.Rg5 (0:39) Re1+ (0:06) 42.Ka2 (0:17) Rg1 (0:01)
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: threatening h5
pchesso(1710) whispers: yes, but Rg6+ afterwards
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: ah yes 43.Rg7 (0:47)
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: I'm still waking up :)
GaraE(1490) whispers: ~o)
pchesso(1710) whispers: Rg2, black has time now?
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: I rather have tea instead :p
GaraE(1490) whispers: :( 43...h6 (0:58)
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: but thanks
skiffle(1689) whispers: hot chocolatez
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: in hindsight (that gives us some extra rating points in strength ;) ) I think Rg8 was much easier to force an exchange of pawns or force white on the defensive with Rh3 44.b4 (1:15)
pchesso(1710) whispers: oh you must show me after the game, please
GaraE(1490) whispers: It's the idea of the defending rook which is behind his own pawn being passive. 44...Kb7 (0:41)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Whereas here in this current position white rook's in front, making him more active.
GaraE(1490) whispers: Rg8 would've either compelled Rxh7 Rxg4, or Rh3 because Rg4 frontal defense would've hung the piece.
GaraE(1490) whispers: *Rg5
pchesso(1710) whispers: good reasoning, yes
GaraE(1490) whispers: Ah, no getting things mixed up, but same idea. 45.Rg6 (3:52)
pchesso(1710) whispers: i prefer the rook on g1, though, because here it can tackle the white k-side pawns and king a bit 45...a6 (0:36) Opinel lost connection; game adjourned *
CrazyHunter(1883) whispers: a rematch!?
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: isn't this a unusually normal opening variation for being Maras? :)
CrazyHunter(1883) whispers: Opinel doesn't play winawer apparently
pchesso(1710) whispers: hi all, gl Maras!!
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: 365chess tells me this is Winawer, Alekhine (Maroczy) gambit 4...dxe4 (4:01) 5.a3 (0:02) Be7 (0:04) 6.Nxe4 (0:05) Nf6 (0:09) 7.N2g3 (0:25) Nbd7 (2:20) 8.h4 (2:52)
CrazyHunter(1883) whispers: wow h4 8...e5 (6:46) 9.Be3 (9:46) Nd5 (8:29) 10.Nf5 (4:35)
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: not many comments in this game, is it because noone understands a thing just like me?
GaraE(1490) whispers: Just looked like Opinel's doing better and seems to be winning.
GaraE(1490) whispers: Maras feeling the greater pressure or requiring more time to think.
GaraE(1490) whispers: White's current position is already exploiting a black position weakness.
NoiroP(1835) whispers: something like that Madmans :D
GaraE(1490) whispers: No specifics because, the only thing I see are threats of Nxg7 or Nh6, white seems to nicely set up for potential kingside attacks.
GaraE(1490) whispers: So no castling probably. 10...Nxe3 (3:35) 11.fxe3 (0:00)
nubie(1595) whispers: Nbd7 was not main line here according to the book I have, instead 0-0 and Nc6. Of course Maras may know newer theory. But after h4 e5 seemed pretty good, looked like black is cramped but not necessarily that much worse
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: if I didn't make a mistake, 8.h4 was not in the 365chess database 11...g6 (1:56) 12.Nh6 (0:07)
GaraE(1490) whispers: There's the Nh6
GaraE(1490) whispers: Threatening Bc4 I suppose, though things are far less clear to me now. Ran out of steam. :P 12...Bxh4+ (2:35)
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: is it too risky for black to play Bxh4+ here?
GaraE(1490) whispers: Nope, I didn't calculate the risks for it. 13.g3 (1:00) Bg5 (0:01) 14.Nxg5 (0:04) Qxg5 (0:07) 15.Qf3 (0:03)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Figured opened file and g3 to avoid Rxh4??.
nubie(1595) whispers: seems like Maras will be defending a pawn up in this game. Probably not so pleasant vs a player rated a few hundred points higher
GaraE(1490) whispers: But didn't look further.
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: nubie, at least that's more pleasant that defending with no pawn up ;)
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: *than defending
nubie(1595) whispers: good point :)
GaraE(1490) whispers: And rather than saying didn't look further, I think more accurate is I couldn't look further. :P
GaraE(1490) whispers: Wondering if there's anything wrong with f5.
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: I think I prefer Qf6 (black has to move out of the f7 fork anyway after Bc4) 15...Qf6 (11:46)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Rough situation for Maras, not only does he have to contend with reduced time now, but his opponent's one who is surely more than capable of completing analysis of a large number of possible moves on Maras's thinking time. 16.Qe4 (1:54) Qe6 (0:05)
Opinel(2497) whispers: that's a very good move! i missed it
GaraE(1490) whispers: And just after I thought Maras was done for in thinking time. :P What a rebound in that respect. 17.Qh4 (17:41)
smallblackcat(2007) whispers: f5 and e4 seems positionally desireable
smallblackcat(2007) whispers: keep the centre closed, and close the h1-a8 diagonal
GaraE(1490) whispers: Liking it, seems good.
pchesso(1710) whispers: f5 g4 ? shouldn't black better try to get the king somewhere safe? dont know how, though
smallblackcat(2007) whispers: f5 g4 exd4
smallblackcat(2007) whispers: and Qxe3+ next, even if white castles
pchesso(1710) whispers: oh yes
smallblackcat(2007) whispers: neither king is that secure here
smallblackcat(2007) whispers: both are potentially safe on the queenside, but black's would be less safe if that long diagonal remains open
pchesso(1710) whispers: maybe develop N and play black K to c7 ?
smallblackcat(2007) whispers: if black finds time to play f5 e4 Nf6 Bd7 and 0-0-0, he'll be fine
smallblackcat(2007) whispers: that is unlikely, of course 17...Nb6 (7:34) 18.O-O-O (2:32) Bd7 (0:42) 19.Kb1 (1:50) Qe7 (0:52)
pchesso(1710) whispers: f6 and 0-0-0 ?
GaraE(1490) whispers: Wondering about Bc6-Bf3 and then f5. 20.dxe5 (1:37)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Well, if was given the chance.
pchesso(1710) whispers: Qxh4 Rxh4 and 0-0-0 loses to Nxf7 ?
GaraE(1490) whispers: Yeah. 20...Bc6 (1:09) 21.Rh2 (0:17)
pchesso(1710) whispers: oh, but Ke7 is safe? 21...Qxh4 (0:57) 22.Rxh4 (0:00) Nd7 (0:01)
GaraE(1490) whispers: I liked your Ke7 more.
pchesso(1710) whispers: wow! go Maras!! :)
pchesso(1710) whispers: K can go f8-g7, which is even better ?
GaraE(1490) whispers: On principle sure, but was thinking it may be secure enough to boldly keep him in centre files.
GaraE(1490) whispers: Dark square vulnerabilities reduced by now, and e file double barricaded by white's own pawns.
pchesso(1710) whispers: yes, but this seems to safely regain the pawn
GaraE(1490) whispers: And a Ke7 would maintain control over d8 23.Rf4 (3:03) Nxe5 (0:23) 24.Bb5 (0:07)
pchesso(1710) whispers: f5 ? 24...f5 (2:38)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Seems as though Nf7 could recover the possibility for O-O.
GaraE(1490) whispers: That, or allow for Nxf7 Kxf7. 25.Rd5 (0:46) Nd7 (0:18) 26.Bxc6 (1:01) bxc6 (0:01) 27.Rd1 (0:09)
pchesso(1710) whispers: Ke7 or Rd8 both look fine, i think black is out of the worst now
GaraE(1490) whispers: Ne5 looks bad now, e4 seems to suggest pinning that knight.
pchesso(1710) whispers: Ke7, followed by Nc5-e4 perhaps 27...Rf8 (3:13)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Nc5 might coerce Rc4 though
GaraE(1490) whispers: Black's still squeezed a bit. 28.e4 (0:45) O-O-O (0:13) 29.exf5 (0:13) gxf5 (0:17) 30.Nxf5 (0:32) Nb6 (0:21) 31.Rh1 (0:54) Nd5 (0:05)
spendius(1806) whispers: w19
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: having been away a while, was there something wrong with 24.- Bxb5?
GaraE(1490) whispers: 25. Rd5 32.Rf3 (1:55)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Would've been a double attack on bishop and knight with threats against f7
GaraE(1490) whispers: As well as checking on e file possible.
pchesso(1710) whispers: Nf6 Ne7+ Kb7 Rhf1 ?
pchesso(1710) whispers: crap 32...Nf6 (2:07)
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: still feels like Maras must have missed something in the last ten moves or so, because black looked better ten moves ago I reckon
GaraE(1490) whispers: I was thinking of 25.- Nf7 instead of Nd7, but not sure if it was better. 33.Ne7+ (1:16) Kd7 (0:27) 34.Re3 (0:02)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Seems as though 25.- Nf7 would've lost stuff to Nxf7 Kxf7 Bxc6 bxc6 Rd7+.
GaraE(1490) whispers: So probably not.
eastorwest(1783) whispers: Rd1+ now? 34...Rde8 (2:14)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Rd1+ Nd5, seemsto barely work out. 35.Rd1+ (0:13)
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: hmm, 24.- Bxb5 25.Rd5 Nc6 26.Rxb5 0-0-0 looks good for black? 35...Nd5 (0:01)
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: white will be up a pawn but black can draw this
GaraE(1490) whispers: Madmansreturn, f7 is taken at that point by knight.
GaraE(1490) whispers: Which forks the rooks.
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: but black has Rd1+ 36.Nxd5 (0:04) cxd5 (0:01) 37.Rxe8 (0:02)
GaraE(1490) whispers: I see, that does break the fork. 37...Rxe8 (0:34) 38.Rxd5+ (0:06) Kc6 (0:03) 39.Rh5 (0:24)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Yeah that does seem like it could be okay for black (The Bxb5), though white seems to be still fighting well.
pchesso(1710) whispers: Re1+ Ka2 Rg1 ?
GaraE(1490) whispers: I guess it'd have been a road better ventured than this one.
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: Rg8
pchesso(1710) whispers: why better Rg8, Hyp?
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: given that Maras was down to 7 minutes after his 17th move, he has held the position together very good though 39...Re3 (1:51)
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: Rybka said so (j/k) :)
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: anyway it made sense cause then white has to play Rh3 40.g4 (0:15) Re4 (0:03)
pchesso(1710) whispers: well, Rg8 or Re3 or my Re1/Ka2/Rg1 - this is really where i would appreciate an Averbakh or so being right here and tell... :) 41.Rg5 (0:39) Re1+ (0:06) 42.Ka2 (0:17) Rg1 (0:01)
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: threatening h5
pchesso(1710) whispers: yes, but Rg6+ afterwards
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: ah yes 43.Rg7 (0:47)
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: I'm still waking up :)
GaraE(1490) whispers: ~o)
pchesso(1710) whispers: Rg2, black has time now?
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: I rather have tea instead :p
GaraE(1490) whispers: :( 43...h6 (0:58)
HyperMagnus(2100) whispers: but thanks
skiffle(1689) whispers: hot chocolatez
Madmansreturn(1991) whispers: in hindsight (that gives us some extra rating points in strength ;) ) I think Rg8 was much easier to force an exchange of pawns or force white on the defensive with Rh3 44.b4 (1:15)
pchesso(1710) whispers: oh you must show me after the game, please
GaraE(1490) whispers: It's the idea of the defending rook which is behind his own pawn being passive. 44...Kb7 (0:41)
GaraE(1490) whispers: Whereas here in this current position white rook's in front, making him more active.
GaraE(1490) whispers: Rg8 would've either compelled Rxh7 Rxg4, or Rh3 because Rg4 frontal defense would've hung the piece.
GaraE(1490) whispers: *Rg5
pchesso(1710) whispers: good reasoning, yes
GaraE(1490) whispers: Ah, no getting things mixed up, but same idea. 45.Rg6 (3:52)
pchesso(1710) whispers: i prefer the rook on g1, though, because here it can tackle the white k-side pawns and king a bit 45...a6 (0:36) Opinel lost connection; game adjourned *
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