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hotdonut(1923) vs. rakete(2070)

hotdonut(1923) vs. rakete(2070) 0-1

15.Rc1 (0:29)
Twikki(2052) whispers: I can't decide between Qd6 and Qd7 here
cynick(2169) whispers: I would go for qd6, not sure why 15...Qd6 (5:52)
cynick(2169) whispers: black should avoid having a R in the c file in these positions
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: why?
cynick(2169) whispers: rooks in the c file will just be exchanged bringing white closer to the desired endgame vs the isolated d pawn 16.Qf3 (5:03)
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: true enough, but allowing white to control that file is also undesirable
cynick(2169) whispers: there isnt much to do in the c file anywa once Bc5 is on a7 read to oscillate between a7 and b8
cynick(2169) whispers: at least that is the standard teaching about these positions, there will always be exceptions
cynick(2169) whispers: so to sum up I would play Rad8 here
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: makes sense
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: ah, now I see what Qf3 is doing
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: I think ;)
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: the idea may be to play Ne2 and Bc3, gaining a tempo (sort of) by the threat of doubling blacks pawns on f6
cynick(2169) whispers: what is it? I assumed Qf3 was just to make room for Rfd1
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: also Rfd1 of course
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: but it seems like the logical piece configuration to have the B on c3, N eyeing d4 and rooks on c1 and d1
cynick(2169) whispers: but maybe black will not allw it
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: ah, but the downside is that Ne4 is possible after Ne2
Twikki(2052) whispers: I think the N eventually winds up on f4
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: yes from e2 the knight has options
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: actually it may be impossible to stop Ne4 for black
cynick(2169) whispers: black can always pull the emergency brake with d4
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: well so Rfd1 is the first priority for white 16...Rfe8 (11:36) Rakete offers a draw. HotDonut declines the draw request. 17.Rfd1 (1:29)
paire(1702) whispers: a draw?
paire(1702) whispers: why?
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: cos black is slightly worse 17...Rad8 (0:33)
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: and positions like these dont offer a lot of winning chances for black
cynick(2169) whispers: to me this is = 18.Be1 (0:43)
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: well white is my player, so I see it as slightly +/= ;)
Twikki(2052) whispers: Be1 seems overly passive
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: just getting out of range of the black knight I guess
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: or does this in fact prevent Ne4?
cynick(2169) whispers: now Ba7 is natural to play bb8 soon
xivarmy(1873) whispers: not prevents, but allows a response to for the moment
Twikki(2052) whispers: Ne2 and Ba5 seemed reasonable 18...Ba7 (2:25)
cynick(2169) whispers: white is playing very passively, black will sonn be a lot better if that continues 19.Nxd5 (3:09)
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: does this work?
cynick(2169) whispers: hmm, blunder I think
Twikki(2052) whispers: nope, blunder 19...Nxd5 (0:48)
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: hmm NX e4?
cynick(2169) whispers: Nxd5 e4 Bb8 g3 Qf6 is the main variation 20.e4 (0:09)
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: ah right, and allowing Qh2+ is impossible
cynick(2169) whispers: yes Bb8 Rxde5 qh2 kf1 qh1 ke2 rxd5 wins rook
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: damn
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: well maybe black will miss it
Twikki(2052) whispers: things like this almost always happen right after declined draw offers for some reason
cynick(2169) whispers: the problem is Bb8 is the natural continuation 20...Bb8 (2:05)
cynick(2169) whispers: black would have played Bb8 even if white had not sacced on d5 21.g3 (0:18) Qf6 (0:12)
HotDonut(1923) whispers: hmm gay
deionsandersson(2083) whispers: oops
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: its been that sort of season for us
Rakete(2070) whispers: Is there any defence? I don't think so. 22.Qb3 (3:30)
cynick(2169) whispers: the realization stage is a bit boring both to play and watch, but I guess Nb6 is best?
Twikki(2052) whispers: it's tempting to give it back with nf4- definitely unsound though
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: yeah I was thinking that, but of course my loyalties are with white ;) 22...Nb6 (9:34)
cynick(2169) whispers: black has been playing the isolated queen pawn position great
cynick(2169) whispers: totally according to the book
cynick(2169) whispers: and such precise play usually is rewarded 23.Rxd8 (2:28) Qxd8 (0:57) 24.Ba5 (0:37)
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: well Ba5 now
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: and white recoups a bit of material
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: ah no, Qg5
Twikki(2052) whispers: Qg5
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: thats basically game over
cynick(2169) whispers: white can hope for re6 I guess 24...Bc7 (0:58)
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: ok! just an exchange down now ;)
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: oh what about Rd1?
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: just Qf6, nevermind
cynick(2169) whispers: but it is worth consideration
cynick(2169) whispers: it still isnt
cynick(2169) whispers: hehe mistell, but it was pretty relevant here 2 :) 25.Rxc7 (6:17) Qxc7 (0:22) 26.Bxb6 (0:08)
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: at least now white can dream about a draw
cynick(2169) whispers: Qc1 Kg2 Rxe4 seems to win back the pawn
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: indeed, but exchange up is no longer a trivial win
cynick(2169) whispers: then it is just "a matter of technique"
Twikki(2052) whispers: Qe5 should get it back too
xivarmy(1873) whispers: black's pawns are on the right color. he's got all the time in the world to find a way to get those queens off and then it's trivial
smallblackcat(2047) whispers: whose side are you on? ;)
xivarmy(1873) whispers: reality's
HotDonut(1923) whispers: Qc1 Kg2 Rxe4 Qd5 Qc6 pretty bad I guess 26...Qe5 (2:16)
cynick(2169) whispers: first move in about 10 black moves I would not have made
cynick(2169) whispers: and it looks better than "my" choice Qc1+ 27.a4 (2:46) Qxe4 (0:27) 28.a5 (0:09) h5 (1:01) 29.Be3 (1:00)
cynick(2169) whispers: maybe Qb1+ Kg2 Re1 last move?
Twikki(2052) whispers: I wouldn't have thought of ...h5- probably would have shifted the rook to infiltrate
Twikki(2052) whispers: or maybe Qe6
cynick(2169) whispers: now h4
cynick(2169) whispers: qf3 also looks superb 29...Rc8 (2:10) 30.h4 (0:52)
cynick(2169) whispers: I thought the d file was easier to penetrate in, but I guess c2 or c4 works aswll
cynick(2169) whispers: but if he anted to play positionally, black really should have thrown in h4 first
cynick(2169) whispers: *wanted 30...Rc4 (1:26)
Twikki(2052) whispers: qf3 looks good here
Twikki(2052) whispers: not sure what Rc4 does
cynick(2169) whispers: planning Rb4? 31.Kf1 (1:51)
waxonwaxoff(1692) whispers: Rb4 Qc3
cynick(2169) whispers: after Kf1 Rc4 is great, as Rb4 now exchanges queens 31...Ra4 (2:05) 32.Ke2 (0:12)
cynick(2169) whispers: heh, maybe Rc4-a4-a1 was the idea all along? Nice way to infiltrate with the rook! 32...Rxa5 (1:14) 33.Qd1 (0:32)
HotDonut(1923) whispers: I suppose I should have just resigned when I lost my piece, just making myself mad 33...Rb5 (1:27) 34.Qd2 (0:24)
Twikki(2052) whispers: Qc4+ finishes 34...Qd5 (1:52) 35.Qc3 (0:25) Rb3 (0:54) 36.Qc2 (0:20) Qb5+ (0:37)
cynick(2169) whispers: time to resign 37.Kf3 (0:54)
HotDonut(1923) whispers: well depressing game 37...Qc6+ (0:10)
HotDonut(1923) whispers: whisper I think ill log off HotDonut resigns 0-1

{15.Rc1} {(0:29)

Twikki(2052) whispers: I can't decide between Qd6 and Qd7 here

cynick(2169) whispers: I would go for qd6, not sure why}
15...Qd6 {(5:52)

cynick(2169) whispers: black should avoid having a R in the c file in these positions

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: why?

cynick(2169) whispers: rooks in the c file will just be exchanged bringing white closer to the desired endgame vs the isolated d pawn}
16.Qf3 {(5:03)

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: true enough, but allowing white to control that file is also undesirable

cynick(2169) whispers: there isnt much to do in the c file anywa once Bc5 is on a7 read to oscillate between a7 and b8

cynick(2169) whispers: at least that is the standard teaching about these positions, there will always be exceptions

cynick(2169) whispers: so to sum up I would play Rad8 here

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: makes sense

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: ah, now I see what Qf3 is doing

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: I think ;)

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: the idea may be to play Ne2 and Bc3, gaining a tempo (sort of) by the threat of doubling blacks pawns on f6

cynick(2169) whispers: what is it? I assumed Qf3 was just to make room for Rfd1

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: also Rfd1 of course

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: but it seems like the logical piece configuration to have the B on c3, N eyeing d4 and rooks on c1 and d1

cynick(2169) whispers: but maybe black will not allw it

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: ah, but the downside is that Ne4 is possible after Ne2

Twikki(2052) whispers: I think the N eventually winds up on f4

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: yes from e2 the knight has options

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: actually it may be impossible to stop Ne4 for black

cynick(2169) whispers: black can always pull the emergency brake with d4

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: well so Rfd1 is the first priority for white}
16...Rfe8 {(11:36)
Rakete offers a draw.
HotDonut declines the draw request.}
17.Rfd1 {(1:29)

paire(1702) whispers: a draw?

paire(1702) whispers: why?

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: cos black is slightly worse}
17...Rad8 {(0:33)

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: and positions like these dont offer a lot of winning chances for black

cynick(2169) whispers: to me this is =}
18.Be1 {(0:43)

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: well white is my player, so I see it as slightly +/= ;)

Twikki(2052) whispers: Be1 seems overly passive

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: just getting out of range of the black knight I guess

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: or does this in fact prevent Ne4?

cynick(2169) whispers: now Ba7 is natural to play bb8 soon

xivarmy(1873) whispers: not prevents, but allows a response to for the moment

Twikki(2052) whispers: Ne2 and Ba5 seemed reasonable}
18...Ba7 {(2:25)

cynick(2169) whispers: white is playing very passively, black will sonn be a lot better if that continues}
19.Nxd5 {(3:09)

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: does this work?

cynick(2169) whispers: hmm, blunder I think

Twikki(2052) whispers: nope, blunder}
19...Nxd5 {(0:48)

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: hmm NX e4?

cynick(2169) whispers: Nxd5 e4 Bb8 g3 Qf6 is the main variation}
20.e4 {(0:09)

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: ah right, and allowing Qh2+ is impossible

cynick(2169) whispers: yes Bb8 Rxde5 qh2 kf1 qh1 ke2 rxd5 wins rook

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: damn

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: well maybe black will miss it

Twikki(2052) whispers: things like this almost always happen right after declined draw offers for some reason

cynick(2169) whispers: the problem is Bb8 is the natural continuation}
20...Bb8 {(2:05)

cynick(2169) whispers: black would have played Bb8 even if white had not sacced on d5}
21.g3 {(0:18)} Qf6 {(0:12)

HotDonut(1923) whispers: hmm gay

deionsandersson(2083) whispers: oops

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: its been that sort of season for us

Rakete(2070) whispers: Is there any defence? I don't think so.}
22.Qb3 {(3:30)

cynick(2169) whispers: the realization stage is a bit boring both to play and watch, but I guess Nb6 is best?

Twikki(2052) whispers: it's tempting to give it back with nf4- definitely unsound though

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: yeah I was thinking that, but of course my loyalties are with white ;)}
22...Nb6 {(9:34)

cynick(2169) whispers: black has been playing the isolated queen pawn position great

cynick(2169) whispers: totally according to the book

cynick(2169) whispers: and such precise play usually is rewarded}
23.Rxd8 {(2:28)} Qxd8 {(0:57)} 24.Ba5 {(0:37)

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: well Ba5 now

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: and white recoups a bit of material

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: ah no, Qg5

Twikki(2052) whispers: Qg5

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: thats basically game over

cynick(2169) whispers: white can hope for re6 I guess}
24...Bc7 {(0:58)

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: ok! just an exchange down now ;)

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: oh what about Rd1?

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: just Qf6, nevermind

cynick(2169) whispers: but it is worth consideration

cynick(2169) whispers: it still isnt

cynick(2169) whispers: hehe mistell, but it was pretty relevant here 2 :)}
25.Rxc7 {(6:17)} Qxc7 {(0:22)} 26.Bxb6 {(0:08)

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: at least now white can dream about a draw

cynick(2169) whispers: Qc1 Kg2 Rxe4 seems to win back the pawn

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: indeed, but exchange up is no longer a trivial win

cynick(2169) whispers: then it is just "a matter of technique"

Twikki(2052) whispers: Qe5 should get it back too

xivarmy(1873) whispers: black's pawns are on the right color. he's got all the time in the world to find a way to get those queens off and then it's trivial

smallblackcat(2047) whispers: whose side are you on? ;)

xivarmy(1873) whispers: reality's

HotDonut(1923) whispers: Qc1 Kg2 Rxe4 Qd5 Qc6 pretty bad I guess}
26...Qe5 {(2:16)

cynick(2169) whispers: first move in about 10 black moves I would not have made

cynick(2169) whispers: and it looks better than "my" choice Qc1+}
27.a4 {(2:46)} Qxe4 {(0:27)} 28.a5 {(0:09)} h5 {(1:01)} 29.Be3 {(1:00)

cynick(2169) whispers: maybe Qb1+ Kg2 Re1 last move?

Twikki(2052) whispers: I wouldn't have thought of ...h5- probably would have shifted the rook to infiltrate

Twikki(2052) whispers: or maybe Qe6

cynick(2169) whispers: now h4

cynick(2169) whispers: qf3 also looks superb}
29...Rc8 {(2:10)} 30.h4 {(0:52)

cynick(2169) whispers: I thought the d file was easier to penetrate in, but I guess c2 or c4 works aswll

cynick(2169) whispers: but if he anted to play positionally, black really should have thrown in h4 first

cynick(2169) whispers: *wanted}
30...Rc4 {(1:26)

Twikki(2052) whispers: qf3 looks good here

Twikki(2052) whispers: not sure what Rc4 does

cynick(2169) whispers: planning Rb4?}
31.Kf1 {(1:51)

waxonwaxoff(1692) whispers: Rb4 Qc3

cynick(2169) whispers: after Kf1 Rc4 is great, as Rb4 now exchanges queens}
31...Ra4 {(2:05)} 32.Ke2 {(0:12)

cynick(2169) whispers: heh, maybe Rc4-a4-a1 was the idea all along? Nice way to infiltrate with the rook!}
32...Rxa5 {(1:14)} 33.Qd1 {(0:32)

HotDonut(1923) whispers: I suppose I should have just resigned when I lost my piece, just making myself mad}
33...Rb5 {(1:27)} 34.Qd2 {(0:24)

Twikki(2052) whispers: Qc4+ finishes}
34...Qd5 {(1:52)} 35.Qc3 {(0:25)} Rb3 {(0:54)} 36.Qc2 {(0:20)} Qb5+ {(0:37)

cynick(2169) whispers: time to resign}
37.Kf3 {(0:54)

HotDonut(1923) whispers: well depressing game}
37...Qc6+ {(0:10)

HotDonut(1923) whispers: whisper I think ill log off}
{HotDonut resigns} 0-1

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